Beslan school siege: Russia 'failed to prevent' massacre

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  1. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    in the same time Polish villagers were saving the Jews with risk to their own lives , Jewish partisans (both communists and Jewish family camps) robed and killed Belarusian villagers, a good example - village Dražna. the Jews were the majority in NKVD death squads in Kiev , Homel, Vilnia, Brest, etc. Still the German state and Muscovite state (USSR) were responsible for bloodbath 1917-53 in Europe
     
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    Could you make clear what you mean?
    For my part I would try to argue every assertion in my post.
    1. It is stupid to deny that America was the lord of the Earth at 1990 th.
    2. It is stupid to deny that Americans are fat ones. See this clip from a famous movie. But it is not a Russian movie. This movie was not done by Frenchmen that hate Americans (if to be honest, they hate all nations). It is movie of an English director. Other words, it's the Internet meme.

    3. Therefore if you deny these items you are stupid. It's not my wish to annoy you. It's the logic.
    4. Your food is nasty, your houses are cardboard. For Russian it's a true. And this is an Internet meme too. If you want to ague then you will argue with Internet meme, not with me. And one thing more. The walls of my house are done from brick and their thickness is 77 sm. Of course, I live in Siberia but... :)
    5. Your women look like men... Naturally you don't see a difference! In your culture women = man. In Russian culture woman is the Supreme being. Woman can't be equal to man because in this case she became... a man! :)
     
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    It sure is hard for anyone to be positioned on the borderlands of Roman Catholic & Orthodox.
    Yes, Litwin?

    Unlike the Roman Catholic areas, your Moscowites considered Jews as Soviet like anyone else.
    Sure some in power plainly did not like Jewish people such as Stalin, but that was Stalin not the state.
    To the west, Jews were not Poles, etc. They were Jews. Maybe France & England were the only nations of Europe where a Jewish person might be French or British with no religion substituted as nationality.

    Remember Tara Bulba and what those Roman Catholic, Polish - Lithuanians were up to.
    y'gonna argue with Yul Brynner?

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g



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    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    I never concealed that I troll you. Because for serious disput you are not ready. And this is not my problem, but yours only. If it hurts you then don't answer me. Or change your brain a bit.
     
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    Along the same lines as your post, here's an example of how the rest of the world views russian women in their heads:

    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/mother-russia-vs-jason-1680280/

    As for alleged fatness of americans, check your own news sites:

    http://www.pravdareport.com/health/14-01-2005/7597-fat-0/

    Russian obesity is comparable to American
    14.01.2005

    Unlike Americans, Russian people do not acknowledge that they are fat

    Fat people live somewhere far away. According to numerous news reports, the number of fatty people in the USA is the largest in the world. The States obtained such a peculiarity owing to fast food restaurants and modern immobile lifestyle. The situation in Russia is different, though. Russian people move a lot, they eat a lot less and look very well, not to mention the fact that Russian girls are most beautiful ones in the world.

    One may believe in such things, draw stomachs in in front of a mirror and blame the “horrible American statistics.” As it turns out, Russia does not have its own obesity statistics. In addition, there is no Russian epidemiology, or the joint medical data about the whole country. Russia definitely has cancer, heart attack, stroke, TB and AIDS stats, but the Russian statistics often differs a lot from the one of the World Health Organization.

    Russian people, especially those who live in the rural area, like to eat bread, sugar and animal fat - quite “harmful” high-calorific foods. A lot of people use lard instead oil for frying. Needless to say that the traditional Russian food does not differ much from American burgers."
     
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    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...you lack the intelligence, wit and depth to even begin to troll, entertain or even awaken me. You're just..........dull.
     
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    Not many; Most Jews couldn't return to their homes after the war, and remained stuck in the camps; most of those who tried to return to their homes were murdered, and not by Russians, but their 'neighbors'. Europe can't bury everything under the Nazi rubbish pile and hide.
     
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    huge mess , 1) Jewish women were killed and raped by Muscovite army 2) "return to their homes were murdered," need a link, could happened, but not on the big scale 2) in my home country miasceczka were the lived were very poor places, so they decided to stay in 2 biggest USSR cities , + many have escaped to the west /Palestine.

    do you know that sralin-koba planed the total elimination of soviet Jews? he already deport many of them to far - east and Siberia . do you know that sralin-koba killed all members of Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Anti-Fascist_Committee
    ? and of cos you know nothing about koba´s anti Jewish state pogroms ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot




     
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    Yes, as I said anti-semitism was a Team Europe sport, and the Nazis had plenty of enthusiastic help in their extermination campaigns, especially from Slavic ethnic groups. That's why I never get up any sympathy for their plights; didn't bother me that the Soviets occupied them after the war, except for the Czechs and east Germans.
     
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    "Moscowites considered Jews as Soviet like anyone else." LOL))) Moscowites are the power house of antisemitism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire

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    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Russian: Протоколы сионских мудрецов) or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic fabricated text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. The forgery was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. According to the claims made by some of its publishers, the Protocols are the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting where Jewish leaders discussed their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies.

    .... The Nazis sometimes used the Protocols to stir up propaganda against the Jews; it was assigned by some German teachers, as if factual, to be read by German schoolchildren after the Nazis came to power in 1933,[1] despite having been exposed as fraudulent by The Times of London in 1921. It is still widely available today in numerous languages, in print and on the Internet, and continues to be presented by some proponents as a genuine document.

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    It would be better to be very cautious here about such things, because this can become a heavy boomerang to all the cases happened in other countries!
     
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    only in Europe, whats about USA, Australia ? and many other countries
    soviet occupied Rumanians, Hungarians, Finns, Baltics, whats about them ? any sympathy form your side ? by the way, so you approve GULAG mass women rape, death, a slavery?

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    still are you happy, for this poor ossetian women small victory? you know that they have less then 0 chance to win this case in Muscovy ?
     
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    What about the US and Australia? We didn't have any death camps, for anybody, and neither did Australia.

    No sympathy for the others, either; they are all the same. If they had the same means as the Russians, they would have behaved just like them.
     
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    :eyepopping: :eyepopping: :eyepopping:

    I only remembered you that your accusing here can be a bad boomerang for the issues which happened in our countries ... not more and not lesser as that.

    Do you think that any killed victim of attack in December in Berlin will have any chance to go to court and win against the German government and institutions which un-doubtful failed and showed incompetence what made the attack of Anis Amri possible?
     
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    did i ask you about a bad boomerang, and other Newton´s laws ? my question was about 500 Ossetian women ...


    you must be joking , its not even close . ulus juchi shot into mass of hostages with the rockets "shmel", and the tanks ...THIS IS THE FACT ,
     
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    BS, for instance Ukrainian and Belarusian nationalism are leftish , meanwhile Muscovite one the rightish

    antisemitism is much more then consecration camps , i talk about Ford activity , Nazi parties etc.
     
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    OK ... then I can say now the same about any Western government and country ... including my own country? Agreed!

    BTW ... you know that you are here with all the things being much fooled by fake BS too?
    Not that I deny that Russia did evil in Chechnya and in Ossetia etc., but couldn't it be that sometimes things only went worse? remembering the issue in Moscow where they used a secret gas which cause many victims under Russians?
     
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    of cos not, talk to any military expert , and they tell what they told me, in Germany, firing "shmel" in hostage mass ´d be qualified as a crime , very heavy one. its simply impossible . + ask Beslan mothers they will tell you what they know 100%, the entire story was a KGB black flag attack , in order to make split between Muslims and Christians in the Caucasus region

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    Yes, like I said, there is no comparison between American and Australian prejudices and the psychotic European hatred and murder campaigns.
     
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    So were many of the Nazis; Goebbels and Himmler to name two. Hitler got rid of the Strasserites when they no longer served his purpose, and he went with the right winger running Prussia at the time, a former Kruppe manager.
     
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    Ye ye, Ukranian Nationalism is leftsh...Especially Right Sector: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector
    They are the most left Nationalist party in whole Ukraine :grin: Whom do you want to fool here?
     
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    Yes, The Polish Jews were not entirely abandoned by Poles, but Polish anti-Semitism was common and the Jews were very vulnerable.

    The Jewish khvost within the NKVD was very large until Stalin ordered them purged in preparation for the alliance with Nazi Germany. Stalin also replaced Litvinov for the same reason.
     
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    Nonsense. Lots of Jews were in the government in USSR in different times. Here are only few to name:
    Kaganovich, Mekhlis, Jagoda, Trozkiy, Sverdlov, and many others...
     
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    when i said that many Jews were not part of sovok´s nomenclature (specially from 1917-37)? , what i say: sovok was not a Jewish state, it was a Muscovite state
     

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