Can I convince PF's resident truthers that American 77 hit the Pentagon?

Don't get so upset...it's just the shill dance. It ain't worth getting all worked up over. It's the job and shilling is the objective.

 

It wasn't 100 pages. It was detailed info on every recording made around the Pentagon on 9/11/01, who confiscated them, and when they were returned. You asked for a detailed source, I gave you a direct link to the FOIA pages themselves.

Read it.

 

None of you twoofs have any right to have the videos that were not made on government equipment on government property unless it is entered into evidence at trial in connection with the case. They are private property, recording activities mostly on private property. You have no right to know what was occurring on private property unless the owner chooses to divulge it unless it contains criminal evidence. There was, apparently, only one such private video, from the Doublle Tree. That video confirms that the images from the parking lot cameras were of an airliner-sized object.

Seriously, most of you need to get a clue which will not be on any video tape made that day. Nobody had any reason to point a camera at the bit of lawn which the aircraft crossed. That freaking simple.

 

I find it amazing that after 100 pieces of evidence, the argument, yet again, spins right around to "what about the videos!!".

I will make 3 points regarding the footage.

1. As Lefty has already pointed out, FOIA releases clearly detail what tapes were available, as well as detailing the vast majority did not capture anything of interest, and certainly not the airliner itself. A good number of the tapes themselves can be downloaded from 911datasets.org (I suggest you also get the NORTHCOM/FAA/84RADES downloads while you're there and check out the ATC/RADAR data for yourselves).

2. As it happens, there are 3 known and released videos showing the object hitting the Pentagon. One of these comes from the Hotel, where you can see a very large, fast moving light colored object moving beneath the overpass up the top left of the film. The other two, come from the guard house. One has most the object obscured by the barrier box, with only the tip of the nose and the tail visible. However the other, as shown at the top of my blog, shows by no small stretch of the imagination, an airliner.



3. The third point, is that you can sit for another 12 years spinning the same logical fallacy that 'if it's not caught on camera, it must have never happened', and with it you are ignoring dozens, and dozens of pieces of evidence, listed on my blog, which proves American 77 impacted the Pentagon.

By doing so, you are only being dishonest to yourself. Truthers began by demanding debris. When shown debris, they began demanding body parts. When shown them, they demand video. And when finally clearer video is available, like most the truthers who visited by video analysis, they claimed it is "fake".

Now, you asked for video. I have provided the clearest video you are ever going to see. A 2009 release of the original re-recordings. No quality loss from mirroring, uploading, downloading, reposting, none, just straight, higher quality, clearer video. What say you? Is it fake? Will you accept there is finally video proof of what appears to be an airliner? Will you even look at the evidence compiled on my blog? Or will the hand waving continue?

 

Hey, cj, keep the noise down. Their trying to have a discussion with their ear crickets.

 

was a 1940's design military installation with concrete reinforced perimeter wall designed for vertical loading, as well as lateral forces from external blasts, and steel reinforced concrete columns evenly spaced throughout the entire building

 

That is from the same source u quoted in post 17. I just quoted more of the link to put the rense and infowar quotes into perspective

 

It took almost 10 years to digitally enhance it to that point huh? "No quality". You're right.

 

You seemed to be confused. It took 8* years to get the release of the original re-recordings, this was included in them. This video has not been enhanced at all, its just original quality. This is the clearest shot you will ever see of American 77, but as I have said, it is a small and relatively insignificant part of the puzzle. All other evidence, from over 130 eye witnesses, to debris, FDR, Radar and ATC, proves it was American 77.

On a further note, there is clear video of the 767 hitting the towers, and yet many out there claim they are fake. Just like these individuals, Pentagon no-planers are now appearing to go the same way. If my blog cannot convince you, you may as well go full no planer and start talking about holograms as well.

 

Well now...according to the "official" propagandists that speak here often, they claim the cameras had no clarity because of their poor resolution and frame rate. Now...you magically have some resemblance of a plane appear where there was nothing before, and we're supposed to believe this one is the real deal now huh? What happened? The missing frame reappeared???

 

Not at all. Most people are not aware there was a 2009 copy released. You can download it yourself along with a bunch of the others at 911datasets.org. You seem to struggle with the concept of "higher quality". Let me break it down for you.

In 2005 the FBI released this video to the media following the trial of Zacarias Moussaou. This video was then shown through the broadcast through televisions/website, where it was downloaded, rehashed into videos, produced, uploaded, then mirrored by dozens of others, who also went through dozens of stages of downloading, rehashing into their videos, production, uploaded, mirroring etc all before the days of decent video editors, before the days where High Definition was common, 720p/1080p literally unheard of (99% would have been done on cheap video editors such as Windows Movie Maker). Predictably, and as we have seen, the videos available to view are low quality, blurry rehashes of this 2005 release.

In 2009, several FOIA were processed, and with the release of hundreds of files on NEADS/ATC/84RADES/NARA came the higher quality, practically original footage from the Pentagon guard booth.

To try and make it easier for you;

2005 copy = low quality = blurry = cannot make out anything = does not show anything easily.
2009 copy = higher quality = less blurry = can make out things = shows what can easily be an American 757 airliner.

but AGAIN this is relatively small and irrelevant compared to the other 100+ pieces of evidence which all correlate to prove American 77, and only American 77, hit the Pentagon on 9/11. You are deliberately focusing on a small issue while trying to avoid talking about the bigger picture. Your tactic is obvious. You are only fooling yourself. But then, thats all no planers ever do anyway.

 

There was no missing data in the video. Missing data processing capabilities between the ears of the Nazi sack of crap who put the idea forward, but no missing data. The camera took only one picture during the time that the plane was in the right position, and it is visible, although only to those of adequate intelligence to know what they are looking at when it is pointed out to them. That is to say, to anyone capable of tying his own shoes.

 

yeah common sense is something the official conspiracy theory apologists lack severely.The FBI illegally confiscates the film cameras at the gas station,the airliner spokesperson came out and said that alleged wreackage there was not that of the airliner they said it was,there is no charred grass in ther lawn which is what happens when an airliner is that low to the ground,there is no luggage,no seats,no tail section,and you have many expert pilots saying an airliner could never perform that miracle feat and they call these high credible people in this link,nut cases for not believing the lies and b.s of the governments version.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/credandexper.html

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/05/pilots-911-truth-intercepted

the OCTAS sure live in denial.

 

exactly,thats why they always play a game of dodge ball and refuse to acknowledge your facts in that everytime or read it.

 

excellent stuff there well said,they of course wont read those links since it proves their ramblings to be just that.so they will continue to keep doing what that drawing shows them to do all the time when confronted with links of evidence like that.hee hee.

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exactly.well said,stands up and gives standing ovation.

 

yep,yep and yep,typical post from an OCTA.lol.

 

Before falling for anymore lies and propaganda on the net out there and psoting anymore ramblings like this,do something that paid shills and frady cat deniars on message boards at this site and every other site that discusses 9/11 defending the fairly tales of 9/11 WONT do.

read the book DEBUNKING THE 9/11 DEBUNKING,AN ANSWER TO POPULAR MECHANICS AND OTHER DEFENDERS OF THE OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY by david ray griffin.It addresses all your ramblings here and shreads to pieces the lies and of NIST and the 9/11 covrup commission which is why nobody around here ever takes me up on that challenge and they cowardly run away from it everytime since it proves their ramblngs wrong.

Nobody here or anywhere has ever been able to debunk it and thats why they never take me up on that challenge to read it and counter it cause they are in denial and they know they cant and are too arrogant to admit defeat so they run off with their tail betwen their legs anytime they are challenged to read it.it addresses everything you are saying and counter it all.somehow I dont see you being the first not afraid to take me up on the challenge and read it though.

 

All those posts and I bet you never even looked at my blog, did you?

Typical willful denial.

 

I've seen his presentation. Its rubbish. Like claiming AA77 had no seat phones after Ron Wieck PRVOED to Griffin that in fact it did. It doesn't matter to him. Griffin is a liar. Proven. He a scum, dishonest, knowingly lying about what he says. I've seen enough of his material to know he cannot string a coherent narrative together, he just picks and chooses random theories and runs with them. He NEVER attempts to link them, hell half of his stuff contradicts the other half, he doesn't care, he's getting money from idiots, they love his lies, you love his lies. Griffin will never take his lies to court, because he knows they hold no water. He is a fraud. And this is not the topic.

The topic is that I have compiled over 100 pieces of evidence that proves American 77 hit the Pentagon. From video, to DNA, debris, witnesses, even the flight manifest with hijackers names on it. Now you can continue being a no planer and safe in Griffins lies, or you can admit you are wrong. I'll be waiting.

http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/

 

yeah and like YOUR not getting paid money? please give me a break.all you do is post lies and propaganda that has been debunked and ignore any facts that prove you wrong.I have read through your pitiful blog and his book debunks your ramblings.you have obviously not read it and its obvious what your agenda here is.

that headline is huge lie.YOU are wrong and truthers are right and YOU need to get over it and stop posting propaganda expecting people will fall for it.we dont.pathetic.

you need to look in the mirror when calling someone a fraud like you do griffin.I just read through all your propaganda and none of that is new.its all been debunked by his book and many experts.miserable fail.which is what ALWAYS happens with you official conspiracy theory apologists who only see what you WANT to see.

youir also telling lies about griffin,he wont take his case to court because as we both know,political cases like this,the courts are corrupt,bought off and paid for by the zionists.he has challened congress and the media to debate him,they wont because they know they cant counter his facts,you have never read his book obviously and again,its obvious what your agenda here is which is to not seek the truth.get over yourself and your arrogant attitude.

till your drop this arrogant display in your posts and stop ignoring facts that prove you wrong,none of the truthers here are going to take you seriously.

 

This is part of your problem right here. YYou are living in a fantasy world in which everybody who disagrees with you must be on the payroll of your enemies. This is, at best, bizarre. At worst, it suggests that you are suffering some sort of delusions.

Some of us have read the book. Some of us have real lives to live. A lot of us recognize the author to have no qualifications to address the issues he raises, and that he may, in fact, be utterly daft.

We are, for the most part, unwiulling to waste time and money buying and reading books written by unqualified lunatics and ignorant schmucks and domestic enemies of the American people.

When one of these idiots comes up with a rational explanation for how anything other than an aircraft the size of a 757 coulld have done the damage observed in the structures hit, we might concede that the author is not an utter waste of oxygen.

Do any of your moronic mentors have an explanation of how the facade of the Pentagon was damaged the way that it was? Can they show that a device exists that can do that without being detected? So far, everything that anybody has shown me looks and smells like they extracted it from their lower alimentary tract. A shaman like Griffn is not going to sell an old soldier any of his crap because there is too much obvious evidence to the contrary.

The "paid shills" that you whine about do not exist. Your dismentors are getting paid by selling books that only your cult will read without laughing out loud at the burning stupidity.

No explosive device exists that could do the damage done to the Pentagon. Simple fact. Live with it.

 

lol I love paranoia. My $115,000 student loan would love it if I was getting money from the US government.

Irony...

You didn't even click the link did you? There is very little to 'read'. There is nothing written by myself. There are no 'ramblings'. 90% of the blog is pictures and videos. The fact you obviously think this is some type of written blog merely shows you never even clicked the link. Yet you claim its all debunked. You are only fooling yourself. How willfully ignorant.

YOU don't. Many have. I have received dozens of messages from people telling me my blog has convinced them it really was an airliner. You seem to be the most reluctant, but then, you only looked at the title, so go figure.

Irony overload.. You cannot see what is right before you eyes. I have provided over 100 pieces of evidence that all correlate to proves American 77 hit the Pentagon. All you've done is hand waved. You're being willfully ignorant, and you know it. DRG is a fraud. A liar. I showed you one of his lies just before, I can show you many more.

Ah the true colors come out. An antisemitic no planer. No wonder you choose willful ignorance. Nice excuse by the way; 'they own everything, whats the point' lol what a cop out. Thats right, make an excuse for everything wrong, take no responsibility, don't wake up to the fact you're peddling bullcrap that won't stand 5 seconds in court.

Why would I give that fraud a cent of my money? I have seen a bunch of his presentations. Virtually everything he presents is false or misleading. He is a con artists. How much money have you given him? Mark Roberts has debunked every fairy tail lie Griffin has ever made up. But I dirgres, this thread is not about DRG, it is about the Pentagon. I have provided 100 pieces of evidence. You are not convinced. What more do you want?

Thats right, I am asking you, what can I add to my blog, which is not already there, which will prove for you that American 77 hit the Pentagon.

I have;
Video,
DNA,
ATC,
FAA,
NEADS data,
RADAR,
Flight manifests,
Security footage,
Examples of Boeing aircraft high speed/durability,
Hijacker profile,
Full time line excerpts,
60 pictures of debris and building damage,
136 eye witnesses,

All corroborate to prove American 77 hit the Pentagon. What else would you like?

You haven't presented any facts. All you've done is talking about Griffin and slammed a blog that you haven't even looked at. You haven't presented one shred of evidence in your posts to counter any of my evidence. What are you on about?

You make a lot of noise for someone who does not even present anything useful.

 

I'm still waiting for one of them to explain how a cheap fisheye intended to cover an area no more than a few yards wide is going to produce an image any clearer than a surveilance camera with several times the capture rate and no distorsion gets over a similar distance.

[video=youtube;IC7gBV_jUR0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC7gBV_jUR0[/video]

 

Holy crap dude. You're kiddin' me. So...let me get this straight. The low resolution video, presented in 2005, of video in 2001, was of such poor quality, that we couldn't make out what was there. NOW, with higher resolution video, we can see the original, poor resolution, (that was really poor quality in 2001, and was of really poor and inferior frame rate in 2001), we can see plainly, that the plane is now there, because of high resolution technology. That about right?
If it was "poor resolution and poor frame rate in 2001", then the only thing that high resolution of today (or 2009), would show is a clearer blob of nothing. Unless you're talking about "enhancing" the video, in which case, something different can be shown, because you're in effect changing the "original" video to show some thing different.
In other words...if it was "poor resolution and frame rate" that accounted for the lack of anything identifiable, then NOW, it would still be "unidentifiable". We would simply see the "unidentifiable" even more unidentifiable. More plainly...you can't put something there that wasn't there before. The resolution is only as good as the original resolution of the source.

That's really bad dude. Really, really BAD. People are stupid though so, you'll probably snag another few hundred viewers who mentally "check out" with this whole 9/11 fiasco. Once again though...good "team effort". You guys better stick with the ridicule versus recreating the tiny bit of evidence that wasn't removed from public scrutiny this late in the game. Bad, bad, bad.

 

Can't we "enhance" it? Isn't that what you guys claim with the Pentagon video now? Just do what you did to the Pentagon video, and things will "clear up"...I'm sure.

Is it bad video, or isn't it?? Their answer?? BOTH (depending on which is most successful at further confusing any possible paths of truth).