Can I convince PF's resident truthers that American 77 hit the Pentagon?

Close but still off. If you had read my other post;

The 2005 copy was bad, not because the FBI released a bad copy, but because the beating it took b hundreds of different uploaders/downloaders/re-hashing into videos with crappy poor quality video editors.

 

Actually, they were trained guerilla fighters armed with utillity knives more like the Stanley Knife, the favorite weapon of the neds of Glasgow, the most murderous city in Europe.

Al Qaeda people slept in caves in the field, but dwelt whereever they could find accomodations elsewhere, just like our soldiers do.

The greatest religious movement in world history started when a v isionary went on a religious retereat to a cave. Get a clue.

 

Did you ignore the part of the blog where I have over 60 images of aircraft debris? Some has the American Airlines logo on it. Oh wait, I forgot, you never even looked at it. Willful ignorance indeed.

As for your caveman box cutter nonsense (nice dodge of facts btw);

9/11 Inside The Hamburg Cell
[video=youtube;xgLwu2FhfDM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgLwu2FhfDM[/video]

"Inept" military (in a way, you're actually correct. But not due to conspiracy);

9/11 The Lost Tapes
[video=youtube;P4Tj4XN6U_w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Tj4XN6U_w[/video]

 

Titanium seemingly "evaporated" because none is confirmed to have survived scrutiny or is able to be verified as having survived. The supposed hijackers may or may not have lived in caves...no way to verify one way or another so, my explanation is as good as the next guy's. Osama was bearded, and he was supposedly the ringleader. Boxcutters were used on board (according to the "official" BS story). They obviously outsmarted the entire intelligence network of the United States because a plane was still flying around after practically two hours AFTER towers were knowingly attacked. Not only did they SEEMINGLY outsmart the airlines but the automatic protocol that was in place at the time of involving the military in a hijacked plane scenario. Either that or they had "help" bypassing them. Additionally, with all the false blips being placed on the ATC screens for their "simulation" that the military was running that day (the "simulation" being planes being flying into buildings), it's no small coincidence that the ATC's had some "trouble" identifying possible targets.

You trust the corrupt administration that was in command at the time (apparently). I DO NOT. You choose to believe the "official" BS story. I DO NOT.

 

I see....

So...the DIGITAL video (which WAS digital AFTER it was uploaded), was "degraded" ? How so? We're not talking about a magnetic tape wearing with repeated use. We're dealing with DIGITAL copies that DO NOT DEGRADE , no matter if it's the first time or the millionth time being viewed. There are intact DIGITAL copies that the FBI (according to you) originally released available on the web. They "degrade" too? Digital is digital is digital. Without "enhancements" or compression, all are identical. Gimme a break man.

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I actually ignored ALL of your video in that I didn't watch ANY of it. The "lost tapes" in the title was enough for me...thanks very much.

 

Stanley box cutters. I did not know that. Thank you. Were they from Walmart at least?

 

Ok Fraud, let me see if I can try one last time. If I got a video, downloaded it, put it through Windows Movie Maker, and processed it so it ended up a smaller sized file, and uploaded it, will the quality suffer? YES..

Here's a practical demonstration. I downloaded an HD copy of 'Conspiracy Road Trip 9/11'. I put it through Windows Movie Maker, pieced it together and processed it as a .wma. Here is the quality;

[video=youtube;uVnQPGE36P4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVnQPGE36P4[/video]

As you may note, the quality is rubbish. It is blurry, low quality, you cannot even make out the logo in the top left. If this was the Pentagon footage, what do you think would happen to it with 5 dozen other youtube users downloading copy after uploaded copy and do the exact same thing I did?

Now, does it understand?

Of course you did. Willful ignorance is part of your no plane belief system. Why view documentaries which prove you wrong? Why listen to actual FAA/NEADS recordings? Why listen to the back story of what actually happened behind the scenes when you can make up fantasy alternatives and run with them like they're fact?

Uh.. What?






http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspo t.co.nz/

Did you see the pictures of the engine debris at the very bottom??

WRONG. If you had bothered to watch the video I linked you would have seen that they met in Hamburg as university students. They trained as pilots for 3 years before 9/11. They complete 737 type certificates. When did you do yours? These 'cavemen' who never lived in caves successfully complete commercial pilots courses with Multi-Engine Command Instrument qualifications and 737 type endorsements. So far to say, they've done a lot better than you will ever do in life. So far to say, you are worse than cavemen.

WRONG. Bin Laden was a financier of the operation. The mastermind is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, fronted by the 4 members of the Hamburg Cell. They planned, organised and prepared for years to do this one surprise attack. Maybe you should watch that documentary I linked?

Box cutters to cut the throats of people from behind before they knew what was happening. Do you know the hijackers also wore fake bombs? They used mace to spray the first class cabin to stop people trying to get up to the cockpit. You have a problem with this? Why don't you listen to Betty Ong's phone call from Flight 11 and actually get some clue as to what went on in those flights.

And what plane was this Fraud? You liar. AA11 hit at 0946. They found out at 0950. UA93, the last aircraft to crash, impacted at 1003. 73 minutes. If you had bothered to watch the Lost Tapes documentary I linked, you would know what went on in those 73 minutes. But you prefer ignorance, so you never watched them. Just like you never visited my blog, yet after a dozen pages of comments, you're still here spreading lies. Your own argument is ignorance, incredulity. It's very transparent. Maybe you should go ask your boss what you should do next? (I know, sounds ridiculous, right?)

What "automatic protocol" was this Fraud? Please provide some evidence of this non existent "automatic protocol". Do you know what the real protocol was? ATC was to keep traffic clear, military was the intercept and follow at a distance. The hijacker was assume to then land, and ransom demands. Using the planes as weapons of mass destruction had never happened before. Again, maybe you should watch the Lost Tapes documentary before you make yourself look stupid again?

Nope. More assertion from ignorance.

WRONG. "fake blips" were to only occur on some of NEADS scopes, which didn't begin until well after UA175 hit the South Tower. NO MILITARY DRILL IN HISTORY HAS EVERY, NOR WILL EVER, PUT "FAKE BLIPS" ON RADAR SCREENS OF ATC FACILITIES!. How severely impaired does your mind work? 5000 aircraft at any one time over the US skies, almost filled to capacity, and you're suggesting that somehow the military would put 'fake' tags on their scopes? For what purpose? Why would civilian ATC have anything to do with military? What an absolutely ridiculous and false assertion to make.

WRONG. Debunked years ago dude. No 'simulation' on 9/11 had anything to do with hijacked planes crashing into buildings.

ATC had trouble because the hijackers knew switching off the transponders would drop the radar track off them. Primary Radar isn't a great source of information. They managed to track AA11 fine. UA175 never turned its transponder off, only changed it code, so that was tracked all the way in. AA77 disappeared for 10 minutes from ATC screens due to the way primary radar filters information, but was tracked by several stations all the way following post-9/11 radar reconstructions. UA93 was also tracked the entire way, and was even tagged on TSD to arrived and land in Regan National. Of course, it crashed 20 minutes earlier, but they had no way of knowing that. Of course, you would know this if you had anything other than ignorance to argue with, but you don't. You have no idea what happened over the skies on 9/11. You have no idea of ATC systems and protocols. You have no idea of military protocols. No cannot comprehend 'confusing', 'fog of war', 'surprise attack', 'unpreparedness', 'improvisation'. You actually know very little about anything to do with aviation on 9/11. To compensate for it, you create fantasy based on woo and try and spin it as the only possible explanation; an argument from ignorance. And then when presented with facts, you chose to not even look at them, ignore the facts, keep the bubble of ignorance in tact so you have reason to continue on your road of fantasy. It's very transparent. Fraud, a fitting title.

Time for BBQ and beer, your ignorance is too much for me to handle.

 

Just show me the 80 some confiscated videos and have some way to confirm that they are indeed the confiscated ones and I'll be convinced. That's all I need. I'll stipulate to anything you want after that if they all show evidence of the "official" BS story. Fair enough?

 

You are not entitled to have access to other people's property without a court order and a valid reason. There is, further, no reason for any camera to be aimed at the path along which the aircraft arrived.

Shriek all you want, you will more likely get a unicorn for Christmas than the evidence that only you lot think exists, but even more likely a pony, but even thast becomes less likely with time because your behavior gives one reason to wonder whether you could be trusted to take care of a living creature.

 

I'm betting you never read my post.

Okay, fine. As per your request, you would like to view 80 confiscated videos. As lefty has already pointed out and shown/proven, most have been back in the hands of their owners for years now, and show next to nothing. The relevant dozen which exist via download from 911datasets.org as I have already instructed on page 1 of this thread. Did you go to the website and download the videos?

 

Still making up crap out of whole cloth,I see
We've seen engine debris at all 4 crash sites,so the titanium didn't 'evaporate'
Boxcutters were used as well as strongarm tactics and phony bombs

As for the rest,you seem to know a lot of stuff that just ain't so

 

He's just reciting the Letsroll.com mantra, unquestioningly. Never mind that everything he typed isn't even close to true.

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Bumping this so the lemmings can't say they didn't see it.

 

Certain things would be turned into fine particles; surely, but there would be plenty of things that were not as well.

 

They weren't bearded. None of the hijackers were, IIRC.

What is the (negative) fascination with box-cutters? I've never understood this. I mean, do you not think a razor blade will cut through human flesh like a hot knife through butter?

I concur, however, on the military, as well, civilian response to the hijackings. If it were a football game, the fans would have been coming out of the stands over all of the dropped passes, interceptions, and fumbles.

 

Lol.

/ten char

 

I dunno, looks like a plane to me. If not, then what is it? It is obviously NOT part of the background scene. There is no obvious connection to the ground. The video shows it moving toward the Pentagon.

 

If you would go to cj's site, as he's requested many times, you would see a ton of picture of debris. So yes, many things were not turned into fine particles. Shouldn't be complicated to look at his link.

 

It does look like a plane. Not an American airlines plane but, a plane nevertheless.

 

It looks EXACTLY like an American Airlines plane.

 

I did go to his site... but why are you shilling a Pentagon site when Lonestar/me were talking about the WTC collapse?

 

A) It stands for either location
B) The title of the thread isn't "Whatever Jango feels like talking about." It's "Can I convince PF resident truthers that flight 77 hit the pentagon?"
C) I'm not "shilling" anything. If you have evidence I'm a shill, present it or shut up.

 

Ummmm...NO. It doesn't.

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So you're neutral on what it is you present, either way huh?

 

Mind boggling....

How did you even come up with such an off the wall regurgitation of what I said?

 

Yeah. I agree, that is a plane. A plane hit the Pentagon.

 

Whatever. Be sure to lecture Lonestar as well, and I will remember your on-topic fanciness the next time I see you go off-course. You prove you're a shill with every post that you make.

Recall a previous post I made referencing shills employed, either directly or indirectly by the government.