Carlson: We should start asking people to stop wearing masks outside, it makes us uncomfortable

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  1. ECA

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    Same dumb logic as having a smoking section next to a non-smoking section in a restaurant back in the day. Lots of things don't make sense. But that has nothing to do with being a "power hungry wannabe dictator".
     
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    Well I would have to disagree. I would agree that in and of itself doesn’t make the case however it certainly adds to the ever growing pile of evidence that the liberals are using covid as a means of control and institution of change. Evidence such as the government not requiring positive tests to declare an incident a covid case, not removing mask mandates for people who have been vaccinated, commingling statistics for flu and pneumonia cases with covid cases, causing 10’s of thousands of small businesses to be shut down and go into bankruptcy while people lose everything they ever worked for and doing all of this in order to combat a virus with a .02% death rate.
     
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    When you are sitting in a restaurant at a table you are stationary and today more than likely more than 6 feet from anyone. You are typically looking at the person across form you at your table.

    As you walk around the restaurant you are now moving by a large number of people at much less than 6 feet.

    But more than that it gives the restaurants a chance to say "hey, we are working to keep you safe, come on back and give us a try".

    Since more things have been reopening the wife and I have been going out more than we did even pre-COVID to try and help support the local businesses. If I have to wear a mask for 30 seconds while going to my seat it seems a small price to pay.

    We even made a pilgrimage to Graceland and had a great meal at a local Memphis restaurant.
     
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    Or better yet the smoking section on planes like they used to have.
     
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    But the virus doesn’t contain itself to your 6 ft area. That’s not how it works. And you know that’s not how it works. Not to mention you’re sitting in the exact same booth 40 other people have sat at today, eating, drinking, coughing and sneezing in all without their masks.

    And that doesn’t even take into consideration the idea of masks is absurd in the first place. These studies they provide you about the efficacy of these masks are almost ALWAYS predicated on testing the output directly in front of your mouth through the mask. That’s fine and dandy but doesn’t address the problem with those masks. They’re never properly sealed.

    You want to know how you can tell? Get a cigarette (you don’t have to inhale) take a puff and put the mask on and blow the smoke out. Not much will come directly through the front but it will pour out of the top, sides and bottom. Cigarette smoke particles are exponentially larger than covid particles. So if that smoke is pouring out of your mask, what do you think those masks are doing for those tiny covid particles?
     
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    A virus is spread chiefly by respiratory droplets that are expelled by coughing or sneezing or even breathing out. These larger droplets fall out of the air rapidly and typically do not travel more than 6 feet. Thus the 6 foot rule. While it is not a perfect solution, it is helpful. It is also just common sense. Prior to 2020 people would naturally step back from someone sneezing or coughing or if someone told you they were not feeling well. We all did it without even thinking about it. But once politics got involved common sense goes out the window.

    The tables and chairs are disinfected between each customer, or so we are told and the places I have eaten at I have seen it happening as people got done and left.

    And what is escaping around the mask is not being forced forward to by a sneeze or your breathing. It more or less hangs out around you.

    But you are correct, it does not contain things 100%, but I have never been one to let perfection be the enemy of good. Seatbelts do not save 100% of lives, yet I have never seen a thread about seatbelt laws.

    If a restaurant tells me I have to wear a mask while I am walking in the restaurant then I have a choice to comply like I do with all of their other dress codes or I can choose not to eat there. It is a simple thing.
     
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    You are trying to make the perfect the enemy of the good.

    If masking reduces transmission distance of a cough or sneeze by 80%, then is a bad thing that it isn't perfect?

    If masking in restaurants reduces the surfaces that might be infected by 50%, is that a bad thing because it isn't perfect?

    The idea of masks was never to be perfect - it was reduce transmission potential so that we don't end up with
    what they have going in India right now. It ain't rocket science. Reduce exposure to reduce hospital stays and overburdening
    the medical system so that people with other medical problems aren't forced to wait in line ... being perfect isn't a great
    solution to a pandemic.

    Do you not cover your moth and nose when you sneeze or cough? It's not
    a perfect solution, but damn, it's a real ass-**** move not to do it. Same with
    masks during a pandemic.
     
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    Can you provide a link proving you claim that the govt doesn’t require positive tests to declare an incident a covid case?
    You do realize if the govt says anyone who’s been vaccinated doesn’t have to wear a mask that people who haven’t been vaccinated will say they have?
    You really think govt officials wanted to shutdown businesses? Surely you can’t believe that.
     
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    Since you seem to believe that the number of COVID cases have been overblown, what is your explanation for the big jump in the US death rate in 2020?

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    What is scientific about making little kids wear masks outside?

    Of course your idiot hero president wears a mask on a zoom call so I guess Covid is a digital virus now.
     
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    Biden like many world leaders had a mask on part of the time during the long zoom call when he moved into a room with other people.
     
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    Is there a link for the other one?

    Previous years don’t match either.
     
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    As I just said, previous years don’t match, either, so I’d like a source for the first chart posted.
     
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    My goodness! Does "Tucker " ever sound like a Big SNOWFLAKE.... I wonder if he'd just wither and die if something important happened ???


    Or maybe get a case of the vapors and need his corset loosened......:)
     
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    I know that statistics are complicated for people, but really it is best to stay quiet when you do not understand something. A wise man once said...Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.

    Maybe these will help.

    https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/chronic/ageadj.htm

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/statnt/statnt06rv.pdf

    They always use age-adjusted death rates, every year it is not new to 2020. So, even if you do not understand the science behind them it is still a valid comparison from year to year.

    Is your only response to the increased death rate going to be to just pretend it does not exist?
     
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    They are showing two different things. The first chart is showing the the difference from the norm while yours is showing just the annual change. You are comparing apples to hand grenades.
     
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    I like people who know how to Google things and then condescendingly pretend to have known something all along. Kudos, Googlemaster!

    Still no link for the first chart? We know flu deaths were down and had the highest number of drug overdoses of all times.
    I guess people shouldn’t have called Trump a xenophobe when he wanted to ban travel from China.
     
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    People like Tucker loose viewers if they do not continue to get more and more crazy. Normal does not bring in people to watch you.

    Tucker is going the route of people like Glen Beck. He was a pretty normal, sane person back in the early 2000s.
     
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    I’d like the source. Still no source?

    The above and below variations don’t match.
     
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    Well, when one has a Master's in Applied Analytics and works as a Statistician they understand such things.

    The links are for your benefit, not mine.

    The Chart came from here....https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

    The data on the chart came from the CDC link I gave you.


    I know the first is true, I have seen no data for the second, but will check it out. I will not even ask you to support you claim, as that never seems to work.
     

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