China begins banning/restricting Abortion

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  1. ToughTalk

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    I mean...you can stomp your feet and throw a hissy fit but the reality of human nature is exactly what it is.

    We are tribal. And as we become more equalized in group size be it race or religion, expect more violence and bloodshed.

    That's the future of america.
     
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    We need to make it clear that AMERICA has been a melting pot since its inception, that America benefits for that and that is not going to change.

    The only direction to take is one of learning to live together.

    If you think your scary story is the future, you know ways you can contribute.
     
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    You can't fight human nature.

    America is an experiment. And so far it was successful because it was majority one race while being accepting of all other races.

    Once your groups equalize...chaos. I believe China and Japan and the like know this. Life isnt Star Trek.
     
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    We fight human nature all the time.

    The fact that the right wing is assaulting our democracy can not be considered a justification for ending democracy.
     
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    Current stats of race based hate crimes having increased while we've rediscovered segregation and openly hate on white people says we are not fighting ****. Things are playing out exactly as expected.

    Chaos.
     
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    FACT: Segregation IS a race based hate crime.

    Race based hate crimes were the FULL ON NORM for the populations of post civil war era.

    Pretending that was BETTER than what we have today is just plain silly.

    Have you read the quotes by the Oklahoma government officials who were recorded conducting government business after having illegally closed the meeting to the public?
    https://www.kxii.com/2023/04/17/mcc...sed-killing-burying-reporters-during-meeting/

    That discussed murdering a journalist. They expressed displeasure with the fact that at one time they could have just hauled blacks out of prison and hung them.


    THAT HATED THE PROGRESS!

    This also shows the problem of having hate groups run our police departments.
     
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    We got better. But during a time where one group was dominant, leading the way towards what is good social norms and values.

    As the groups equalize, you will see an increase of everything we are seeing in society right now. And it will get worse. Because human nature. Each group will want to be the dominant group/values and identity of the country.
    We are seeing a clear REGRESS. And I've explained to you why.
     
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    This suggests that you know of some specific level of HATE CRIME that YOU WANT!!!

    I really do not know how to describe to you how stupendously unconscionable that is.

    Our Christian majority doesn't agree with that. It's limited to some white supremacists who are seen by the FBI to be the largest threat of terrorism that America faces.

    Besides, you flat out lose to our constitution.
     
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    I don't want this. There is no connection between want and understanding trends, human nature and the path we are currently on.

    Christian majority? LOL.

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    In just 10 short years we've gone from 77-65% as we "progress" or fracture our binding set of values and belief into a "diverse" and multi cultural set of groups. All with different values and beliefs. All wanting to be the majority.

    The constitution? The constitution can't stop the ever growing divide of our nation. This is diversity. This is what it brings. This is likely why all the Asian countries with the super high IQ are incredibly xenophobic.

    Enjoy!
     
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    Why do you think people that can't afford to have kids can't be bothered to realize that and take care of their own affairs?
     
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    The question facing America today is - "Are rights inherent to creation, or do rights come out of the barrel of a gun?"

    My rights are inherent to the universe.

    And I got a gun too. Just in case...
     
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    I guess I am simply more observant than you. Open your eyes and accept the way the world works. You can't just wish bad things away.
     
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    Silly me actually thinking grown adults would be responsible and not think the government is their baby daddy
     
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    Yes, its silly to think everyone is responsible, when you can see many are not. It doesn't really have much to do with the government, they just have sex and get pregnant, and my point was that with the abortion bans, there will be more unplanned babies.
     
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    And families are only being given those subsidies now if they have at least TWO children.

    Anyway, these subsidies from the Chinese government are not massive; though still represent a significant little chunk in the average Chinese family budget. The majority of Chinese are extremely frugal & miserly, pay close attention to small amounts of money, so things like this can really sway decision-making.

    Trying to force them to have the first child isn't really an issue because in Chinese culture having a child is very important. The issue or "problem" is that a huge percentage of Chinese families are choosing to only have one child. It's something that has become completely normalized in the culture living decades under the one-child policy, but also it's a strategic decision that still allows them to pass down their legacy (extremely important in the culture) while minimizing childcare costs, and allowing them to focus all their investment on one child. (Chinese families spend a huge amount of resources preparing their children academically for future success)
     
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    You can't claim that what some people call "Christian values" are NOT shared by those of other religious views or ethnic groups.

    As for ethnic diversity, please remember that black Americans tend to be Christians.

    The majority of Hispanic Americans are Christians - in fact, they tend to be socially conservative.

    The majority of Pilipino Americans are Christians.

    The majority of Korean Americans are Christians.

    The idea that ethnic or religious groups are making extraordinary efforts to be a majority doesn't even make sense. How could some group even DO that. They DO want equal voice and treatment under our constitution.

    What Republicans are doing is very different. They are attempting to use repressive laws against democracy and gigantic political donations in order to ensure that their PARTY wins elections. But, that doesn't make Republicans in the majority. If fact, they are in the minority and have been for quite some time.

    Part of their problem is that they are trying to win by screwing democracy, NOT by presenting sound ideas.
     
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    I just showed you that despite all your claims, Christianity is on the down turn and is predicted to be the minority by 2070.

    Hate crimes based on race are the highest they've been in 12 years and rising.

    We've rediscovered segregation for Christ sales.

    Language in the southern states is being taken over from.English to Spanish

    We are an experiment of which the more equalized we get the more that experiment isn't working.
     
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    I'm not sure what your point is here.

    Children are considered important in every culture.

    And, as has been pointed out, enticements to procreate have had little impact in the several countries that have tried.

    In the USA, it would be far better to ask young adults why they are not having kids.
     
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    You can't trust a woman who had an abortion and then calls her living kid "precious". So don't give us this "children are considered important" stuff because I'm not buying it.
     
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    I haven't ever disagreed with you comment on the downward trend of Christianity.

    Xenophobia is not going to improve church attendance.

    Do you really believe that Jesus was xenophobic?

    Your fear of Spanish is totally unwarranted. Many countries have multiple languages. Almost EVERY country is populated by people who have facility in a number of languages. And, that is an advantage.

    Trying to isolate Spanish speakers IS hate, by the way.

    Refusing to teach black history is how one goes about ensuring that there is a divide.

    Refusing to inform people concerning human sexuality is a move oriented to hate.

    Every move we make to ensure we don't understand each other is a move toward dividing in a way that ensures that Americans are NOT treated with equality.
     
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    Wow! This is too ridiculous for words.
     
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    Didn't dumb stuck you hard enough, you still typed something. :)

    Shortly after the conception some call the fetus a "burden". So it seems kids ain't so precious after all. Thats what I'm seeing.
     
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    You are taking quotes out of context and pretending that one person, who is left totally hypothetical, represents all who see abortion as an important healthcare issue.

    I'm really curious about your first sentence - is that a regionalism of some sort?
     
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    Oh, it a typo. should have been dumb struck, not stuck. Sorry for the confusion.

    Did you think I don't know any women?

    But I'll admit I don't know enough. :)
     
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    Amen on your last! However, nobody knows a cross section of America.

    Making reasonable statements requires a more complete job in citing who made specific quotes or citing polls that have asked reasonable questions and used proper polling methodology.
     

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