Daniel Penny to be tapped for Congressional Gold Medal by House GOP lawmaker

or you can do a short chokehold and then go from there

 

That's what happened. He still died due to health issues.

 

It is sad - we are a racist society. If Daniel Penny was Black and Jordan Neely was White, the same people who today call Daniel Penny a racist, would call Daniel Penny a hero who protected passengers from a violent racist.

We can talk about short or long chokehold when it is used by trained people whose job is to protect people, but untrained people...
We have a choice to let violent criminals/mentally sick people to scare/harass/beat anyone or let untrained people to protect us by any means - short or long ballshold or chokehold.

 

So he would have died anyway, at that time, without the chokehold?

 

wrong here. he violated his own orders -he was trying to force a conviction on the lower count. the real abomination though was Bragg's actions in bring this nonsense to the court. we need to remove prosecutorial immunity in cases like this

 

the only racism is by those attacking Penny. I bet 95% of people who ride subways would be glad to have another Penny on their car if some sociopathic mentally ill felon started to scream threats at people

 

yep, Been there done that. two young men, high on drugs and looking to mug a pizza guy mistook me for their intended victim since my College varsity warm up looked like the delivery uniform and I was carrying a bag of groceries. they jumped off a porch as I walked by. One hit me in the face and I shot him. I called the EMT and police-he got 3 years in prison-the other guy pled to misdemeanor assault and had already put in his papers to enlist so the DA was cool with that. when some whack job leftist whined that "all they wanted was his money and groceries". the DA noted that if more people legally fought back crime would go down. Apparently there wasn't another mugging in that area for several years after the DA noted half the adults had CCWs and he supported that

 

Nowhere in what I said was there any indication that I didn't support him fighting back. My point was that he directly caused the guys death. The other guy instigated it, and created the situation, but trying to redefine reality as you are attempting to do is simply and objectively wrong and does a disservice to his actions. Everyone on earth is responsible for their own actions and it's a children's argument to say 'they made me do it'. Nobody makes anyone do anything.

We all have choices and we have to live with the consequences. Neely decided to threaten and be an ******, Perry decided to fight him and put him in a choke hold. Then Neely decided to keep fighting until he had no more oxygen left, and Perry decided to keep the hold on as long as he did, after Neely stopped fighting back and moving/breathing. Neely then died. The state decided to charge him, and each individual jurist decided on the verdict. As all 12 of the Jurors came to the same decision, Perry was acquitted.

These are the objective facts of the situation. Everything else is just subjective opinion. I personally won't lose sleep over Neely's death and I'll bet i'm not the only one. That's my choice.

 

nope, the chokehold killed him

 

Several years ago a son of mine was attacked in his house by a violent intruder during a home invastion. Probably the man was insane as he had kicked the door in. As what you call a trained killer (member of the US military with combatives training) my son engaged the intruder in a violent fight that went to the ground and choked him out with a rear naked choke. The choke was maintained for several minutes until the police came in response to a 911 call. During that time my son's wife, a hospital RN determined the intruder to be dead. But he had been so violent my son was afraid to let up on the choke, particularly having a wife and two small children in the house. The intruder was placed in an ambulance to be taken to the hospital along with two police officers. En route he came to and violently attacked the police. So the moral of the story and something likely known to anyone who has actually been in a fight or violent encounter -- don't land a shot and then stop to admire your work. Doing so will get you hurt or killed. I am guessing you have zero experience riding mass transit in an American urban area, or zero experience with actual violence of any kind with the possible exception of the British school system style form a ring/fist fight/shake hands according to rules, -- and therefore opine from perhaps watching television or the innate liberal sense of fair play.

BTW, what makes a man a hero is risking his life to help others. It is all too common when violent attacks or threats occur for people to do nothing. And of course doing nothing but being a victim is encouraged by liberals.

 

you can't use excessive force, that would be like shooting him, then waiting 5 min that shooting him again... just cause you felt like it

the first shot would be self-defense, the second shot would be murder

 

"...if he is still alive and not pass away due to natural causes..."
I doubt that will stop them.
The case will eventually dissolve when Merchan and his chipmunk plea bargain and confess collusion with the Feds.
Even if it did not, why should Trump care? It is not like he cares.
It is just one more mud pie thrown showing the public what happens when you hire by DEI rules than qualifications.

 

We are talking about fight with hands, not with guns.

I live in NYC and many times I saw violent people on subway, the only one time I got involved when I saw someone is robbing a woman, and I got involved only because the mugger looked smaller and weaker than me. If I found that he is stronger than me - I would hold him by his balls/neck/ears as long as police would arrive, does not matter if it could take 1 minute, 5 minutes or 5 hours. Expecting from me to check if the mugger is OK is like to expect from a policemen to take mint-candies and deodorant before arresting a rapist.

 

Daniel Penny was acquitted, and it will stand.

 

it's the length of time that makes it excessive force, same if a gun was involved.. such as the example

 

Not meaningless for historians. And yes, we are still learning things about Pearl Harbor, the Battle of the Alamo, D Day, etc. History has a long, long memory, and it won't bode well in the long run for those who are educated and interested. It does not ge the media attention, but it does get the truth out. And that will happen with Trump, one hundred years or so. It is why we have changes in the Presidential List from best to worst as well and why Bush Jr and Clinton have higher numbers of approval by historians now than 10 years ago. Trump, I am afraid, won't be that lucky, will he?

 

Those changes in perspective have little to do with any changes in historical info and most to do with cultural changes. History will remember Trump well at times, and unwell at others and it will be based on the culture of the time. Again it doesn't matter. What will be clear across all time is that Trump won. And that's what matters the most.

 

His health killed him, as well as his own violence actions.

 

Google 'glass jaw' defence. You take your victim as you find them.

 

Only in the case that the person you harm is the victim. That doesn't apply here.

 

No, he did not, and this has nothing to do with Bragg per se. The prosecution filed the motion to dismiss the charge while giving its reasons to do so, the judge agreed, the defense was happy and no objections to the dismissal, and thus, the manslaughter charge was dismissed, with prejudice, I might add. This happens in cases where a hung jury is imminent based on the evidence presented by both sides. Now it is negligent homicide where the options include, if found guilty, from no jail time to minimum jail time. Again, it would be best if you read the NY statute on self-defense and negligent homicide along with the evidence presented at trial, not listening to RW talking points on whatever aparatus you are using because they don't know what the **** they are talking about.

 

The more historical info we have, the better insight we have in those events. We know a lot about Watergate even after Nixon is deceased and we know Nixon was much more involved in the Watergate scandal than we realized in the 1970s. The same will be said with Trump and his charges that will never come to fruition because those records are made public and will eventually come out in multiple books on the subject 10 to 20 years from now.

 

And they very well may end up making him look better! But even so, it will overwhelmingly be a generational thing.

 

trust me, I understand the NY law on self defense very very well.
This guy clearly acted appropriately

 

not when the "victim" instigates the confrontation.