Do you understand why people vote for Donald Trump?

Back in 2015 and 2016 I was so scared ......ss of Hillary.......

that I went to extreme lengths to..... at first...... attempt to convince Mitt Romney to get back into politics and attempt to become leader of the G. O.P. but.... I quickly clued that Mitt was NOT going to get involved...... and the more research that I did on Mr. Donald J. Trump.... the more that I liked him! [OK....yes..... my fear of Hillary tended to make me rather highly motivated!!!!!]

I think that it was early in 2016 when I even began a group on Facebook entitled... "One Million Strong Praying for Donald J. Trump" [ As you can probably guess... I and my group got Z u k e d!!!]


Did going bankrupt in '91 prepare Mr. Trump for the Presidency?

I believe that going "bankrupt" .... sort of... back in 1991..... prepared President Donald J. Trump to go after the flaws in the USA banking and taxation system that become obvious when we study the three decades after the death of President Abraham Lincoln!!!!!!!

As you can see from my 2006 and 2004 campaign writings.... I am rather seriously into this critical issue!


www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.com/




http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-own-the-u-s-a-dollar.599736/#post-1073461240
Do three hundred and thirty million Americans own the U.S.A. Dollar?

https://www.michaeljournal.org/arti...story-of-banking-control-in-the-united-states

And now in 2023... I have to admit that I consider Biden to be so corrupt.... and so obedient in reading the scripts that are passed to him by the same people who advised him to campaign from his basement..... that I am just as motivated as I was back in 2016!


Biden Digital Currency, does this scare you?
?
Does the idea of a Biden Digital Currency scare you?

1. 
   Yes
   2 vote(s)
   28.6%
2. 
   No
   1 vote(s)
   14.3%
3. *
   I really don't trust anything that Biden does!
   3 vote(s)
   42.9%
4. 
   I trust everything that President Biden supports!
   1 vote(s)
   14.3%

Change Your Vote

 

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yes, Donald Trump though not perfect makes sense.
Joe Biden just wants war.

 

I think Trump supporters come in many shades of orange. There are the ignorant and gullible who believe a con man if he says what they want to hear forcefully. There are the MAGA people who think subjectively of the time when America was "great". That could range from when Christian values were unquestioned, the races knew their place or all the queers stayed in their closets. They could be single issue voters, like anti abortion people. White nationalists were behind him thanks to his dog whistles. And then there are the nihilists, who see the destruction of government a good thing and Trump certainly did his part by spreading mistrust in government agencies and the democratic process.

 

Republicans will vote for the republican, no matter what. Democrats will vote for the democrat, no matter what. That's a given. The rest of us want a bull to tear through the DC corruptocracy china shop and tear it all down, so that ultimately the country can be saved from them. The ONLY attribute that makes Trump a popular candidate, at all, is that he claims to be that bull. He promised to drain the swamp the first time around, and the swamp chewed him up, and spit him out. That same swamp is currently miring him in deep sticky swamp goo to prevent him from ever getting near the drain plug again, and to send a powerful message to anyone else that dares to threaten the entrenched status-quo.

 

....and there is the nihilist.

 

It is the placing belief above character that worries me as it becomes Machiavellian at that point. When the means are justified by the ends then all means are allowed whether or not they be moral or ethical. To use evil to achieve good sullies the good ends achieved by evil means. If morals and ethics matter then character must matter. Sadly politicians of above average morals and ethics tend not to rise to the top of political hierarchies. Humans seem to prefer effective leaders more than moral leaders. I think this is because we understand that morals limit how power is achieved and used. Immorality places few if any limits on how power is achieved and used.

 

I'm with you

 

On a sliding scale, everyone on the planet will score a percentage on each of the Machiavellian personality traits. I remember doing a Dark Triad test a few years ago and I was 33% psychopathic, which means I was below the average score and thus not an axe wielding maniac!!

As for morals, are those just what society wants today but they change it tomorrow? For example, it was bad morals to have same sex relationships. Sadly, morals are subjective and thus would take up hundreds of pages on it's own thread.

As for character, subjective again.

Humans do prefer effective leaders so the ship is steered around the iceberg as opposed to going down in icy waters with the moral leader.

If Americans voted based on effectiveness, the likes of Obama and Biden would have never been President.

 

While some morals change over time, other morals do not… or should not, such as lying or thievery. But that is just a nitpick as I tend to agree with what you have said.

 

For me it's a vote against the establishment. I'm not sure what they are so afraid of. So my life it's been crappy candidate vs crappy candidate. I just vote for the one I hate the least. With Trump it's a middle finger to all of those clowns.

 

@Reasonablerob

Did you mean, by "understand," that we know what Trump voters say they like about him-- in which case I would have chosen "yes"-- or, as I had taken your question (and so chose "sort of"), were you asking if we could understand that way of thinking, could appreciate why someone would think that way, would feel that Trump was, at this point, an acceptable choice, under any circumstances?

The answer just prior to mine, for example, by Polydectes: I understand what he is saying; I just can't fathom why a person would think that this makes sense-- unless he is thinking that his vote doesn't matter, anyway, won't make any difference. Kind of like a person who has plastic surgery, in order to look like some particular cartoon character: I understand that everyone has a self-image, and their own unique style, but I couldn't really see why anyone might want to make that particular choice.

 

Another nihilist, the philosophy of phuck it, tear it down.

 

Not anymore. I defended it before, but I no longer find it defensible. There is no greater threat to our democracy.

 

Such as lying and manipulative - "If you don't go to sleep, Santa won't come".

If your parents brought you up in a household to steal, to you, is stealing morally wrong.

Like I said, morals and character are subjective and would need their own threads.

 

Or that if you don't support him, you aint black. Like you need that crusty old racist race capo to affirm your decisions.
1) Trump has the right enemies. Our deep state and media lied to us. Joe Biden should never have even entered the nomination process after his 1988 disgrace. He should have been thrown out of law school for cheating to begin with. To quote NRO, "Joe Biden is an a$$hole. Always was, always will be."
2) Under Trump, no new wars, Obama's kids in cages shut down. Wages, relative to inflation rise for the first time since about 1970. Judges that could tell you what a woman is. Now with Biden, WW3, wages down relative to inflation, kids in cages are back and his Judges? Well. You know.

 

When it's corrupt to the very core what else to you do?

Lol at the broken down old men and women that have clogged this system for decades. Most of the young blood is conformist or incompetent.

You're the nihilist for wanting to keep this nothing.

 

There's no greater threat to our democracy and somebody being elected?

Why is it the people that talk about our democracy are the ones that hate it the most?

 

Oh, I forgot to add conspiracy theorists to my list of Trump supporters. The Q anoners, Deep Staters, false flaggers, Covid and the anti-vaxx conspiracies.

Nope it ain't me. A nihilist is deeply pessimistic as you demonstrate.

 

So if you don't drink the Kool aid you're a nihilist? So you're either a cult member or a nihilist. Strong us versus them mentality is a sign of cult like tendencies.

 

Trump was effective?

 

Ask yourself, Biden is effective?

From the UK looking at America's results, Trump was more effective than Biden.

 

People in the UK voted for Brexit!
Trump and Biden are relevant by comparison to that?

 

Yes we did, and thanks to Obama sticking his nose in trying to tell the Brits to stay and sink in the EU, that pushed the vote over the edge. It's the only +pos thing I can say about the gay Kenyan.

Sovereignty is key

 

Sovereignty will keep Chinese CO2 out of British skies won't it. Nationalistic bullshit is obsolete. But politicians can't notice that planned obsolescence puts unnecessary CO2 into the atmosphere.

What has consumer depreciation amounted to since Sputnik?