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  1. chris155au

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    Nice theory.
     
    chris155au, Oct 19, 2020
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    not a theory, we lived it, we saw it, it happened
     
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  3. chris155au

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    We SAW Trump getting jealous of Pence? :roflol:
     
    chris155au, Oct 20, 2020
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    My point is, why is a lockdown required in order to save your life when YOU can simply decide to isolate?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Well?
     
    chris155au, Oct 21, 2020
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  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No one living in any urban environment can isolate themselves completely from other people. Very few people even in heavy rural surroundings could do that for any length of time. I'm not talking about matters of well-being here either but just actually being within 6 feet of someone else. You still have to answer the door to the food deliverer, etc.
     
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    :roflol:
     
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    And COVID is a serious risk from a food deliverer?
     
    chris155au, Oct 21, 2020
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    It’s a risk from any infected person
     
    Lesh, Oct 21, 2020
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    If they have it and are asymptomatic, yes.

    That's the problem here, EVERYONE is a potential Typhoid Mary, and you don't have to prepare food. It's enough to just be AROUND someone.

    It's certainly not unusual for diseases to be spread this way but I don't recall many where the risk is so great from asymptomatic people, then again, I am not an epidemiologist and find that discipline particularly difficult.
     
    Aleksander Ulyanov, Oct 21, 2020
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    A very close friend of mine began working from home in early March. Her only real contact with anyone outside her home was home delivered pizza. She got covid and nearly died. Almost certainly from delivery

    Another person I know (mother of a friend) was delivering Meals on Wheels to the elderly. She got it early. One of the first cases in our area
     
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    She lived alone and literally never left the house?

    How is this story relevant?
     
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    Isn't there contactless delivery?
     
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    She was a delivery person. She GOT it from delivering food to the elderly

    Both of these infections occurred when there were very few cases

    You simply can NOT effectively isolate any portion of the population . Trying to claim that the elderly can simply stay home is NOT an effective strategy
     
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    Does the science tell us that this DEFINITELY means that someone never had COVID?

    How does she know that she got it from delivering food?
     
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    You can’t figure out how to get food delivered without breaking the 6 ft social distancing recommendation? Hmmm.
     
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    Oh it can be done,but there are other things
     
    Aleksander Ulyanov, Oct 21, 2020
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    Thank you
     
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    What was the incidence of mask usage in these cases? Or did both happen at the time the authorities were sacrificing the general public welfare in favor of healthcare professionals?

    The meals on wheels makes sense, but the pizza delivery confounds me. Was it a fomites issue or were they actually interacting at the door?
     
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    I just can’t understand the rationale of ordering food and then answering the door and interacting with someone. I guess I shouldn’t expect rational behavior at this point. Clearly that ship has sailed.
     
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    How did the authorities sacrifice the general public welfare in favor of healthcare professionals?
     
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    You do know people still grow and hunt for food, correct?
     
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    The early recommendation to not wear masks.
     
    557, Oct 22, 2020
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    You do realize that most of the elderly have a slight problem with hauling and slaughtering game and heavy farming work? (It didn't bother my grandfather either who provided venison for us in his 90th year, but he was a rather exceptional man, as grandma liked to say)

    Here:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...it-wont-work-just-isolate-elderly-vulnerable/
     
    Aleksander Ulyanov, Oct 22, 2020
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