Enough already ..open up America !!

Wrong, I'm at a "little upset" about exaggerating and fearmongering any kind of event, which you are absolutely doing in this thread and others. Above is nonresponsive. My posts about your fearmongering this topic and this thread are accurate and are supported by the written record.

For the last several weeks you have been FEARMONGERING this topic in 100% of your posts. You aren't fooling anyone.

 

I was with you until this. WTH? Almost every world leader made mistakes. Blaming Trump for the entire world-wide pandemic is as dramatic is dumb... dumber.... dumbest. Stop it.

 

Your item 1 seems to be missing.

For #2, can you prove your claim anout the test being the same for the common cold? I'm aware that both are types of coronaviruses, but I haven't heard that the tests were the same. In fact, I've never heard of anyone being tested for the common cold.

To your last statement (and I like sarcasm as a rule), I would rather be laughed at and called "chicken little" after the fact than to have done too little, at the cost of lives. This is America, we can rebuild our economy, we've done it before, but no one can bring the dead back to life.

 

There is a difference between fearmongering (shall I put that word in capital, nah, can't be bothered) and reporting accurate data. Unlike you, I'm not putting my head in the sand. I have looked at the data and can see that this virus is nothing like seasonal flu. I provided links that show that the average total number of deaths in a given period in several countries has doubled when compared to the total number of deaths in the same period in previous years.

Oh, and I stated that I preferred the herd immunity approach with conditions, not the head in the sand approach where the virus will magically go away by doing nothing

 

I just call 'em as I see 'em.

When voters go to the Polls in November...

...They will base their vote on 2 Words...

...TRUMP'S VIRUS...

It is what it is. Don't shoot the Messenger.

Now, back to the OP (and the "re-opening").

Any attempt to re-open before July 1st will be hideously misguided.

 

Blech - buy bye - iggy box until the nightmare is over.

 

No, the worst part is that they don't seem to realize that the resulting carnage won't help Trump. Such is the high level of idiocy and rampant incompetence of Trump's chosen. I thank my lucky stars every day that I had a mother who taught me how to think. It's becoming a lost art.

 

Good point.

When the most competent person in your administration is Kayleigh McEnany, Trump clearly has major problems.

 

What is ironic is some sort of way is that the money that is being spent on treating this virus is on the whole staying in the country. The cost of imports will have dropped massively and much of the equipment used in treating patients and goods and other products is being manufactured in the US. Isn't this what Trump and his supporters wanted to achieve with the increased import tariffs?

 

He doesn't. How does my post put the lie to that?

 

Oh, OK, here's the whole post again, and LOL no, there won't be anything remotely like "proving" something to you. I'll be glad to repost the post again though if you don't manage to get it this time.

Moral Panic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

Acceptable wiki page, but LW slanted as usual, caveat emptor, good for basic summary. Familiar moral panics of the relatively recent past include the satanic ritual abuse (esp day care) and the repressed memories of sexual abuse during the heyday of feminist/militant lesbian hysterics of the late 80s and early 90s.

Also, for anyone who hasn't, read Mackay "Extraordinary Delusions and the Madness of Crowds." Well worth the read. Cheap, used, free postage copies likely all over Ebay.

COVID IS A MORAL PANIC. Special interests are highly motivated in fearmongering this moral panic. How to spot them?

1. "One size fits all" shills At this point, after the models have proven extremely inaccurate to the point of being clownishly low, -any- person who can read and write who advocates mass U.S. state or other country shutdown is LYING to you PURPOSEFULLY towards whatever self-interest. Could some of the "measures" posted below be advocated or even required? SURE, IN NEW YORK or other virus hot spots.

2. "Tester" shills. Past this point of general knowledge about COVID, anyone advocating mass, involuntary testing who does not also mention that the "Novel" test is the same old test as for the common cold is either ignorantly parroting or shilling. It's fine to advocate for tests of the common cold, but that's not really the same as this virus. Should antibody tests be conducted in heavy activity areas? Maybe, but always keep in mind "1" above.

3. Mask shills. See "1" above. Masks are seemingly benign for prevention, but not really. They engender a fearful, negative attitude in the population and massively interfere with many types of business and social life. They are a last resort, yet there is -0- conclusive scientific evidence on masks. Isn't it interesting that the "concerned social scientists" of the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex and their bureaucrat HACKS always skip the EVIDENCE when their politics and POV are favored while DEMANDING pure epistemological proof when their politics or POV are threatened? There's a reason for that, they are purposeful, inconsistent LIARS. Masks are a TERRIBLE idea.

Other shills to watch out for the next few weeks:

4. "More Lockdown" shills. See "1" above. Even in NYC, the numbers do not support further lockdowns, shills are engaging in purely dangerous SPECULATION if shilling that. People's livelihoods equate numerically to "human life/death" anyone who omits that or plays at false equivalencies is attempting to deceive you.


But you know what? Go ahead and lock down NYC and the big blue cities more, that will be just fine. Just leave the rest of us be, free from the "one size fits all" shlling.

5. Vaccine shills. We know already that vaccines take months and years. No one would be fooled by shilling to "shut down until vaccine" but hey, they are desperate and they know that a percentage of people are stupid enough to buy into their fear fantasies. Nuff said there.

 

For the last several weeks, 100% of your posts, 500 of them or so, are pure fearmongering exaggerations of the COVID MORAL PANIC. Wonder why that is?

 

Just keep your head in the sand and carry on ignoring facts

 

For the last several weeks, 100% of your posts, 500 of them or so, are pure fearmongering exaggeration of the COVID MORAL PANIC. Wonder why that is?

 

I have never liked those 2 muppets

 

You don't like facts, I get it.
This link gives information on the excess number of deaths when compared to equivalent periods over the past five years ie it gives the excess number of deaths above the norm:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lbsbus...-have-really-died-from-covid-19/#7801f02c67f7

Hence for an area in Italy, the excess number of deaths for 23rd Feb to March 21st was 9000 more deaths above the expected 10,000 deaths = double the number of expected deaths. This debunks the claim that the Flu and pneumonia deaths are being added to cvirus deaths just to inflate the numbers, a claim that I've seen in other threads. The link also states that the deaths from cvirus is being under reported and in Italy's case by nearly 100%

 

That is illogical and silly
Vaccine lol Take years .
Morse of USA has low to zero deaths

 

Because the social distancing is working. Sheesh.

 

Many deaths have been the flu or pneumonia and they classify it as CV ??
The numbers are flawed

 

So close down for years ??

 

Fraudstein will get a high post if a Dem wins

 

Why so many left wing Italians ??
Very insane

 

I suggest an opening in another several days

 

Oops.