Ex-Transgender Teenager Sues Kaiser Permanente over Double Mastectomy

I remember a time conservatives told people to mind their own business....

 

No, not to comment. But to create legistlation, yes I would hope so. I would hope it's not based on emotion. But science, and data.

For instance when does science determine the most effective time to transition, if the procedure is going be done?

 

If you see a parent beating their kid in public, what do you do?

 

So all the things you comment on, on PF, are things that affect you personally only?

 

I spank my child...so, maybe try a different angle?
Abusing, I would interfear. But abusing isn't therapeutic educational, or doctor recommended.

 

That's not what I asked. I see you want to avoid the question, but I'm going to try again.

If you see a parent BEATING their child, what do you do? (note again, I did NOT say spank, stop trying to weazel out of answering)

 

No, but someone recommended legislation be written. So that's what the question was for.

 

Yes, i would interfere, but beating, vs therapeutic treatment are 2 different things. My stance follows the science that if the procedure is going to be performed, it be performed when it's most effective, I would rather have it done before another child comes into the picture. Their neutering is preferable to an abortion, for either waiting to long, or attempting to fit in.

 

Not what I said. I said it sounds fake.

 

A double mastectomy on a 13 year old girl for gender reasons is equal to beating that child. It's abuse. Nothing therapeutic about that. It's sick and anyone who supports that is also sick.

 

So you don't think it's fake? But it sounds so sick, it's hard to imagine it being real?

You're talking out of both sides here. Pick one.

 

Did you miss the part where they were told to wait by the doctor? This isn't a transitional story, this is cosmetic surgery, and getting what you get for not following doctor recommendations.

I wouldn't be opposed to regulating cosmetic surgery, just for the kicks of it. Regulating actual treatment is an infringement on our liberties.

 

You're trying to find excuses and reasons why this was ok. Whether the parents or the dr made the decision, it was still wrong.

 

Oh, am I? Am i not gargling the hateful and ignorant propaganda being spewed by right wing turds like DeSantis and Boebert?

 

You've not made any sense in this entire thread. You first tried to claim the OP was fake, then said not a fake, or you don't know, now you've gone into left field about DeSantis and Boebert.

Classic leftist move.

 

I never said the OP was fake. That would be silly, as it is sitting right there. I said the story told in the article smells like bullshit, and it does.

 

Wow when it's most effective. Unreal that anyone would ever think that a child's adolescent maturation would be a "most effective" time to alter the rest of their life. I have never understood the left's position on this, I don't care what adults do nor whatever gender they choose to be but to push it on children in any form should be illegal but the left supports or excuses it. Wokism seems to know no bounds.

 

You'll need to remind me when conservatives were okay with parents abusing their children.

 

Both Jane and Chloe (Cole) Brockman should also be suing their parents for child abuse permitting them to be mutilated and left with god knows how many medical issues, quite possibly for life.

Are Jane's parents also not plaintiffs in her lawsuit like Chloes aren't?

In Chloe's lawsuit it states that the first doctor they went to who was also affiliated with Kaiser refused giving her blockers/hormones due to her young age.
So they were well aware that there is another medial school of thought on when to begin transitioning,

Chloe's parents then found other Kaiser shrinks/doctors who agreed with what Chloe wanted.

There's studies available that show like 80 something % of pre-teen- teen transgenders have some underlying mental issues.
Issues that need to be resolved first before beginning to medically transition and that's just addressing the puberty blockers and hormones.

 

Once again, as long as they get it done before they impregnate someone, or get pregnant themselves.
Would you rather they neuter themselves, or get an abortion? If peer pressure can cause them to do that, then sex is next on the list.

 

This is where the bullshit comes in with both lawsuits against Kaiser trying to eliminate all responsibility for the parents who signed.

"Informed consent was missing here,” Dhillon told Fox News. “It is impossible for a child to give informed consent, and it is impossible for parents who are not fully informed and with a child that was not properly treated [cannot] also give that consent.”

 

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

The accusation is kids do this cosmetically due to peer pressure, isn't it?

 

So you don’t believe licensed doctors with the consent of a child’s legal guardian should be able to preform any “permanently altering surgery”?

Or is it only for things that you don’t like or understand?

 

I don't recall seeing somebody say it never happens, definitely not me, only that the benefits outweigh the risks when applied to the appropriate patient as part of the standard of care. An anecdote does not disprove that, particularly if it was alleged the standard of care was not followed, which is technically required for a successful lawsuit in this context.

Maybe you were confused because some studies didn't have anybody regretting it, but when there are only like 30 people in a study, or even 100, that implies regret is a rare risk, not non-existent.