FACT: Atheists are Lost

It's amazing how much conflict is caused by the confusion of words.

The title of this thread is literal, and quite frankly it's not their fault. You have posted adequate evidence to argue Pew is incorrect with their categorization.

 

If we weren't on a message board discussing philosophy and religion, I would care less about your belief system/label.

Thank you One Mind.

 

we have to understand, those who do know God exist. the unbelievers can say we are lost too. Because they also KNOW there is no God. Truly, MANY of us christians, ARE LOST! Not because we believe in God and Jesus. Because MANY of us either say we got ALL the truth, though scriptures shows different ,(2Tim.4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables). OR many of us want to truly follow Jesus and believe in God, yet don't have total truth ,(Rom. 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge).

What MANY christians need to understand also is this, Don't be so quick to believe this scripture ,(2Cor. 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them), ONLY applies to the unbelievers. MANY of us believe we have a first-class ticket to Heaven. Even though we refuse to believe some of what the one we say we follow ,(Jesus), said or told us to do. and we believe ONLY the “unbelievers” are blinded? It’s sad to see one who doesn't believe get destroyed ,(even if they don't believe it's going to happen). But what's even sadder, is the one who said they believe also be destroyed. Before we go checking them, we need to place ourselves in check. peace

 

My argument is specific to this concept of gillfinkeldinks.

Coherent thought? nothing to do with religion.

People who don't believe in other people's " gillinkeldinks" are people who don't believe in other people's "gillfinkeldinks", that's all.

 

I have a question for you.

If I do not believe in YOUR God.....am I an Atheist?

I take it you consider you own version of God to be the only correct one
If yours is the correct one and I do not believe it exists....am I not fitting the definition?

One can be an Atheist, yet agnostic as well.

I KNOW your God to be a fictional representation of human inspired desires. Yet I cannot rule out something existing.

 

Yeah....I'm a militant agnostic. I don't know and they don't either.

 

Seems to me, you would be Agnostic, but obviously that may not be the case as One Mind so thoughtfully laid out for us.

... and man I wish we could throw down a wager, because I KNOW my God is legit. Good luck!

 

Yeah...gonna fly up and join him on the clouds. Then he's gonna personally escort you to a gated community where you will live in eternal bliss while poor bastards like me roast in eternal flames. I've read your book:

Revelation 21:

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

Christianity has over 10,000 different denominations.
There are roughly 4,200 differently religions world wide.

 

ah .... that's exactly the same thing, actually. why would the name of the supernatural critter make a difference? gillfinkeldinks, flying teapots, a demon named yahweh, vishnu, small grey aliens ... it's all woo hobbism, so only those dabbling really need a title.

else we need titles for everything we don't do. patently absurd.

 

tell me, were you born into a religious family?

 

So, the reason all of you 'freedom loving' Christians attack atheists is not because they don't believe in God but they don't believe in "Your Version" of God?

How very American of you, Whom should we report to have our version of god properly validated once you guys take over, or will you just issue a blanket list of religions that meet with your approval?

 

'xactly! I think religious folk are wound so tight that everything needs a tight little label.




Their shared sin of Pride makes them think everything revolves around their little beliefs.




Labels.....I think they need these because they can't think for themselves.



They also need their Hate Target clear and concise to be more effective.

 

No attack at all.

Christians label non-Christians as "lost". That's not your words, that's ours. If that's somehow offensive then I apologize, but I'm not certain why you care what our religious beliefs tell us about you since you don't believe them to be true.

The poll I posted reveals, quite clearly, there is mass confusion within the Non-Believing community about the meaning of the term Atheist. I dubbed this as being "lost".

I thought this was ironic. Not an attack, again, if that's offensive, I apologize.

 

Again, there wouldn't be much value if we weren't on a message board discussing beliefs. Human communication is subject that should not be taken lightly as the vast majority of all conflict is a direct result of failed communication. If you don't find value in constructive human communication, what are you doing here?

 

Any denial by the OP that he "isn't attacking atheists" is of course disengenuous.....go back to his "Atheists and the GOP" "joke" to prove that.

But more interesting is his obsessive desire to insult atheists and to promote his own righteousness.

That seems to indicate somebody who is "uncomfortable" with people who challenge his beliefs....possibly because they are not as strong as he claims.

Not an attack...merely an observation.

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We know his views of atheists....what is his view of the theistic HINDUS? Or Muslims? Or Mormons? Or Jews?

 

I understand a bit better now thanks to One Mind and others. I confused Atheism with militant atheists and anti-Theists like yourself and your e-gang.

I admit, I unfairly dumped all of the level-headed Atheists in with you. That was unfair, but it was all the material available on the board at that time.

 

1. Again, you have some obsession with atheists....your posts show that to be obvious. Also it's obviously negative and angry given your posts on atheists are pejorative and insulting.. I'm curious as to why that is?

2. I doubt you'll make your "qualifier" of "militant" and "non-militant" atheists in the future....despite your admitted "unfair" attack....I expect future posts from you to still use the term "atheist"...not "militant atheist".

3. So what is your view of THEISTS who are not Christian? Hindus for example?

 

I am an atheist since the age of 14 years. During the time I was raised as a believer in god, I felt "lost". Lost in some other people's fantasy.

 

As an Agnostic it is hard to accept a statement that we are on the fence. It seems to me to be perfectly rational to believe that neither the Existance of God or the nonexistance of God can ever be proven. A belief in the Existance of God as an act of faith seems perfectly acceptable whereas trying to prove that God exists seems futile. Also trying to prove God doesn't exist seems like an exercise in futility without at the very least an agreed upon definition of God and even then trying to prove a negative seems a waste of effort.

 

LOL. Well then, carry on sir. I won't intercede, anymore. On this thread. LOL

 

Good choice.

 

Yes, I have known quite a few agnostics in my long life. These people are generally extremely logical people, and educated. They all thought that whether a god exists or not, is just unknowable. And they don't feel a need to have a faith in either belief. They have particular sort of mind that I find refreshing, for there is great intellectual honesty there.

For me, I too think God is unknowable, but being a mystic, I don't depend upon the operation of thought to provide proof, or to try to disprove it, for I don't think it can. I just have an intuitive sense of this thing man has created various images of, and refer to as God. I seem to detect, by perception a perfume of this thing called God. But I do not create images of IT. For I feel any image is incapable of representing IT. So, all I have is this perfume, this odd perception, whenever I look out at the universe at night, or when I look at the wonderful sights of the natural world, the way sunlight plays upon things, and of life and human beings. They all seem to intimate something wonderful, and awe inspiring. Yet I refuse to name it. I just revel in it.

And I have this great sense of being inseparable from it all. I am a part of this wonderful universe, but not separate at all from it. And in the end, all things will be perfectly fine, and right. We are separate from all of this only as a mental construct. Only as a thought.

 

Haven't thought of it quite like that. Thank you.

Let me start with the agreement that I have always believed Agnosticism to be perfectly rational.

I guess you have now placed me on the fence as to whether or not I agree that you are on the fence. I understand you are technically not undecided in your core belief, search for proof. But it sounds as though you are without a claim as to your belief of God, a true Agnostic. I guess my reluctance for full agreement is that many believers do not require proof for belief. Will have to give it some thought...

 

not really,though my mother said we were catholic. if i may, why do you ask?