FACT: Atheists are Lost

By all means then argue away... discussion and debate are for sissy's anyhow!

 

The explanation of your argument in the former post being "(my favourite being people guessing whether there are an odd or an even number of beans in a jar and person A saying there is an even number, person B, the disbeliever does not have to believe that there is an odd number of beans in the jar to be justified in claiming that A:s argument for the evenness of the number of beans is incorrect).", only shows that both persons are talking about a 'guess' as opposed to a belief. In order for person b to say that person a is incorrect, then person b must be stating his/her guess that the number of beans is odd. You also did not stipulate whether or not both persons believed the guess to be 'true' before the guess was made. If either had defaulted by saying that they did not 'believe', then they would be disqualified from making a guess. Keep a level playing field.

 

Since you are actually an antitheist when it comes to all - approximately 300,000 - gods but one, I take it you're also lost ..... and infectious.

 

Never considered it, oh wait, yes actually that has been discussed. Thank you for your concern.

 

I guess the overall question is, and you are not guilty of this, what is the point of tearing down modern mainstream religions without anything to put in it's place? It seems to be the opposite of constructive behavior, yet a very pleasing topic.

Furthermore, it seems to me, there is more anti-Theism present on this board than anyone is willing to admit. Of which, I would contend, is better described as a psychological struggle than an enlightened stance.

 

See bolded: HOW many anti-atheist threads have you started?

WHO isn't "willing to admit" ? Why wouldn't they?



"""""what is the point of tearing down modern mainstream religions without anything to put in it's place?"""""


Why does "something" have to be put in it's place?

Would believers be frightened if they had to think for themselves without the Instruction Manual"??

 

How is this anti-Atheist? I quoted a poll that seems to mirror exactly what is happening in this very forum. Sorry if I offended you, but you have got to be kidding...

I mean, the countless number of vile anti-Theism threads discussing rape and smashing babies against rocks make my threads appear quite tame.

Wouldn't you agree? SMFH

RE: Putting something in it's place...

Tearing something down with no proof that it needs tearing down, what is the point? If you are going to blindly tear something down, put something in it's place. Seems logical to me. (waiting for reference to my lack of logic)

Now we are getting somewhere. Non-Believers constantly refer to the Bible, although not in these words, as an instruction manual. This is why it's often criticized for not telling us every wrong action to avoid. In addition to giving us the standing rule of the day, The Golden Rule, it also tells us the story of mankind through the eyes of God.

 

How is it anti-Atheist? LOL! If the threads about rape and smashing babies offends you address THEM......lashing out at atheists in general doesn't do a thing but make you look desperate.


As to tearing down anything...there is NO obligation to put something in it's place...where did you get that idea?


The bible IS a story but written through the eyes of men. And it didn't invent the golden rule.

 

How is it Anti-Atheist?

Did I claim the Bible invented the Golden Rule?

 

Atheism is dead, Atheists are lost.....does that ring a bell? Sounds pretty antiAtheist to me.


YES, you claimed the bible invented the golden rule.

""""""""""Quote Originally Posted by Dood View Post

How is this anti-Atheist? I quoted a poll that seems to mirror exactly what is happening in this very forum. Sorry if I offended you, but you have got to be kidding...

I mean, the countless number of vile anti-Theism threads discussing rape and smashing babies against rocks make my threads appear quite tame.

Wouldn't you agree? SMFH

RE: Putting something in it's place...

Tearing something down with no proof that it needs tearing down, what is the point? If you are going to blindly tear something down, put something in it's place. Seems logical to me. (waiting for reference to my lack of logic)

Now we are getting somewhere. Non-Believers constantly refer to the Bible, although not in these words, as an instruction manual. This is why it's often criticized for not telling us every wrong action to avoid. In addition to giving us the standing rule of the day, The Golden Rule, it also tells us the story of mankind through the eyes of God.""""""""""

 

Let me clarify... us = Christians, not mankind.

People like you assume anyone that thinks differently MUST be ignorant. Let's go Jack, I'm your huckleberry.

 

So Christians ("us") were not part of mankind? They NEEDED a book telling them what others knew already? OK, I guess some people need a manual.


Telling me what I assume as if you have a crystal ball and can read minds leads you to rather ridiculous conclusions.

 

Go give your wife a hug, you clearly need one

 

....Uh....more like we don't make stuff up and somehow convince ourselves it is real. Most Atheists I know (which would be pretty much anyone close to me over the age of 16), are not the Atheists you seem to imagine. Much like myself, they do not claim there is nothing beyond ourselves or that they "Know" there is no universal intelligence.....they simply state that YOUR version of God is not possible, nor is any of the other human inspired entities.

You might even categorize us as Agnostic, if only because we do not make the claim that we "Know".

 

That's right, by Merriam-Webster you are not Atheist, you are Agnostic. Properly sorted.

 

Why didn't you just post, "I have no answer" ...you made it blatantly clear ...LOL!

 

You have no interest in meaningful debate, you just want to argue. Isn't that why you married?

 

Oh ya, "properly sorted" and labeled and everything in it's pigeonhole and we will all be safe and secure....LOL!

Because without labeling how will some people know who to hate and vilify....

Because without labeling we would just be people with different ideas.....can't have that! That is terrifying for some.

 

C'mon! Is this your comedy routine that uses all the excuses for not having an answer?

No. 2 Excuse:The OLD "you have no interest in meaningful debate" excuse.......LOL!

Why didn't you just answer the question.....

 

Good god, hell, you guys will argue over what a word means. LOL.

I am as old as dirt, and this is what we were educated to think, in regards to these terms, before the educational system taught you WHAT to think, instead of HOW to think. So listen up pilgrims...

A theist believes in God. There is a God, he would exclaim.

An atheist believes there is no God. There is no God he would exclaim.

An agnostic believes whether there is, or isn't a God is unknowable. It is impossible to know, he would exclaim.

Neither the atheist or the theist can claim the agnostic, and since I am an agnostic, stop trying to steal my belief. For I do not think it is logically possible, using thought, to know the answer to this age old question as to the existence or nonexistence of a god, or of gods. In their traditional definition. Which has so much baggage attached, as to be absurd.

Yet, what about the way of knowing, that does not involve thought? Enter Gnosticism. A way of knowing, absent of thought, that is the product of a change in human consciousness, where thought stops, is silent, and God is revealed. Yet since it is outside of the thinking process, absolutely nothing can be stated about it, using thought, for as soon as thought begins to move, that which was there, is gone. So thought cannot touch it. It is there, when thought is silent, not active. Of course most humans are always incessantly thinking, about something.

Today we have a rise in spirituality, which believes in a force of good in this universe, but does not accept the organized religious beliefs about this force. These spiritual people would be theists, and not atheists. Many would be gnostic, but not all.

 

According to what source? This is the heart of the issue.

According to Merriam-Webster Atheism includes the word, disbelief. That is different than not having a belief as it is an action, not a void.

 

Labeling atheists as atheists is wrong.

WHY ? Because if I insisted there were gillfinkeldinks flying through space would everyone who didn't believe in gillfinkeldinks have to be LABELED?

No....so if some people declare there is a "god" thing why should those who don't believe need a label????

 

This is what I was taught in philosophy of religion, at university, by a prof, in 1968. Since I aced the course, and had to answer that question on a test, this is certainly what was taught back then in philosophy. This is what the educated people of my generation were taught. Today, perhaps the politically correct police have infiltrated even the dictionaries, I am not sure, but something is going on. Perhaps the powers that be need a dumbed down population, and this is one way to do it, by screwing with the defintiions of terms. Something like Newspeak.

But you lost me on the disbelief comment. A disbelief is just another way of saying, I do not believe. An atheist does not believe in god, and exhibits a disbelief. Right?

All I see here is an attempt to make something relatively simple, into something much more complex than is needed. I have noticed in my long life, that when people do this, they are not interested much in what the simple reveals, but want to change something. Agendas and all that rot.

 

LOL. Those labels, those definitions used to serve a purpose. It was the groundwork for coherent thought.

Theism, isn't about gillfinkeldinks flying through space. It is specific to this concept of god.