FACT: Atheists are Lost

This seems to sum up the definitions previously posted; however, it has a flaw. What if you don't know whether there is a god, but you do not necessarily think it is impossible to know one way or the other? It's entirely possible to be spiritually uncertain without believing that it is impossible to reach spiritual certainty. While some spiritually uncertain people may proclaim, "I'm sure it's impossible to know one way or the other, so I won't bother with it any more," there are countless others who say, "I am not sure what's true or not, spiritually speaking, but I'm trying to figure that out." The latter would not fit into your definition of "agnostic," above.

I suppose since I know we are all one, united through our connection to the universal higher power, each a living neuron in the mind of God, and I know we can feel this truth and this connection if we still the mind and meditate, I'd be pretty close to your Gnostic definition. Though I generally call myself Taoist.

When your inner voices are speaking, who is doing the listening?

ken2esq

 

Unfortunately atheists are overrepresented in mainstream medias, governments, parliaments, authorities etc. what allow them to force their satanic agenda to folks.

 

Atheists are not Satanists. Atheist simply do not believe in god....that's all. That doesn't mean they worship something else. That means they just don't beleive in god.

Atheists are not less moral nor more moral than all the christians in mainstream medias, governments, parliaments...they just don't believe in god.


Atheists are people who don't believe in god, that's it, that's all.

Being an atheist does not mean worshipping another god or different gods or anything other people make up...it only means not believing in something other people have made up.


It doesn't mean they traded god for satan, another being someone else made up, it means they do not believe in a god....that's all.


Got it yet?!!?????

 

Since the United States are an Anglo-Saxon society, I wonder why they are not experiencing the curious phenomenon they are knowing in UK:

the growth of the Jedi Knights.

There is a certain percentage of British atheists who declare to be "Jedi Knights" in polls asking about religious beliefs.

May be they are not serious, but I wouldn't bet they are sane ...

Are there American Jedi Knights?

 

You're right, Atheists are not satanists, they are much worse:

http://church-of-illumination.com/atheists-vs-satanists

 

What twisted thinking........if it makes ya happy......it's sure a good thing there aren't any evil christians , right? Whatever vile deeds THEY do are just ignored.....it must make your life so warm and cozy


I guess common sense and logic can be verrrry scary things for some...they avoid them at all costs

 

That website is obviously a parody, and Ostap seems to be a troll.

 

Cool, I haven't had this much street cred for years!

"Gangs of atheists were seen on the streets of the UK today, viscously handing out science text books, others were heard reading passages from the "god delusion" on street corners . Still more where seen attempting an atheist ritual involving a cat and a box, the cat was rescued by police who were unable to confirm if it was dead or alive. A spokesperson for sceptic news announced that the reality of the story should be questioned, unfortunately in a terrible accident he himself was later killed whilst seeking empirical evidence for a train! Earlier reports of atheists occupying a church were found to be untrue when one of the alleged atheists shouted, "Krauss is Christ". The Arch Bishop of Canterbury has called for calm and stated that "the Church of England is a broad church with plenty of room for Atheists, Agnostics, Satanists and even some Christians if they promise not to get too fundamental about the whole God thing"

 

First of all if you're going to be debating/arguing with an atheist you better quit looking at the word like a caveman looks at complex arithmetic. Its obvious here as well as in argument that you are looking for an angle as if somehow if someone believes 1 percent of what you believe and discredits the other 99 you have some chance at justification as your beliefs is the true way. Its quite sad really, this tactic has been weighed, measured and found wanting.

 

I think there are two sides to this issue that never seem to join. The rational side that depends mostly on evidence and the emotional side that depends on "meaning". The problem that gets lost in the battle is why humans still need spirituality. I have read a lot of the atheist describe occasional transcendent moments, they do have them, they simply see them as personal and ascribe no connection (divine or otherwise) to them. On a certain level this seems the much saner course, why believe in something else other than the simple truth of the immediate moment?

The fact remains that either we have created ourselves or we are the product of a creator. (the creator is either oblivious material or something else)

I intuitively feel that pantheism is the only rational view of spiritual reality. We are all tiny parts of a greater thing. I refuse to go farther into it than that.

 

I think that's because the fundamentalists and rapture ready crowd have driven people away from the church. The consensus seems to be that you have to reject all science to be a Christian. .. and then guys like Fallwell, Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson have also done a lot of damage.

 

Strangely enough the people you think have driven people away have actually attracted them. Religion is a means people have of finding identity. When spiritual leaders bend overly to new realities they become part of the identity absent world.

When the part we play is exactly the same as every other part then we have no part at all. A sad modern dilemma.

 

Most of the people I know that are drawn to religion are drawn in as they become new parents. Witnessing the miracle of life/birth is a powerful event.

 

I must admit to an abiding dismay tempered with hilarity at this phenomenon. That is to say, when Christians talk of their god as though it's everyone's god - but that some of us ignore him in foot stamping obstinance.

That's hilariously quaint as it is, but when you tell them they obstinately ignore Odin (lost as they are), despite knowing he's THE god for the world, it becomes even funnier.

 

Interesting. I've produced several times, and the idea of taking up superstition did not enter my mind. Birth is incredible all by itself. Needing to find 'more' strikes me as somewhat sad. Perhaps those you mention had less than fulfilling birth experiences - which happens when women opt for c-sections and/or painkillers. Made worse by failure to breastfeed.

 

We know we're lost...if we believe that 2000 year old fairy tale we deserve it. My ex wife told me she was going to be there and if she will I'd rather be in hell:

Revelation 21:
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

DEATH PENALTY SINS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT:

•Murder - Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14,20,23; Lev. 24:17,21; Num. 35:16-34; Deut. 19.
•Failing to circumcise - Gen. 17:14; Ex. 4:24,25.
•Eating leavened bread during feast of unleavened bread - Ex.
•2:15,19.
•Smiting Parents- Ex. 21:15.
•Kidnapping - Ex. 21:16; Deut. 24:7.
•Cursing Parents - Ex. 21:17; Lev. 20:9.
•Negligence with animals that kill - Ex. 21:28-32.
•Witchcraft - Ex. 22:18.
•Bestiality - Ex. 22:19; Lev. 18:23-29; 20:15,16.
•Idolatry - Ex. 22:20.
•Making holy anointing oil - Ex. 30:33.
•Putting holy anointing oil on strangers - Ex. 30:33.
•Making the holy perfume - Ex. 30:38.
•Defiling the Sabbath - Ex. 31:14.
•Working on the Sabbath - Ex. 35:2.
•Eating the flesh of the peace offerings in
•uncleanness - Lev. 7:20,21.
•Eating the fat of sacrifices - Lev. 7:25.
•Killing sacrifices other than at the door of the tabernacle - Lev. 17:1-9.
•Eating blood - Lev. 17:10-14.
•Incest - Lev. 18:6-29; 20:11-22.
•Eating sacrifices at the wrong time - Lev. 19:5-8.
•Consecration of children to idols - Lev. 20:1-5.
•Spiritualism - Lev. 20:6,27.
•Adultery - Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22-30.
•Sodomy/Homosexuality - Lev. 20:13.
•Relationship with a menstruous woman - Lev. 20:18.
•Whoredom - Lev. 21:9; Deut. 22:21,22.
•Sacrilege - Lev. 22:3.
•Refusing to fast on day of atonement - Lev. 23:29.
•Working on atonement - Lev. 23:30.
•Blasphemy - Lev. 24:11-16.
•Failure to keep the Passover - Num. 9:13.
•Presumptuous - Num. 15:30,31.
•Gathering firewood on the Sabbath - Num. 15:32,36.
•Failure to purify self before worship - Num. 19:13,20.
•False prophecy - Deut. 13:1-18; 18:20.
•Leading men away from God - Deut. 13:6-18.
•Stubbornness and rebelliousness - Deut. 21:18-23.
•Gluttony - Deut. 21:20-23.
•Drunkenness - Deut. 21:20-23.
•Backbiting - Deut. 17:2-7.
•False dreams and visions - Deut. 13:1-18.

 

so that's a yes. did you grow up in a christian society?

 

what the heck?

do you seriously not realise that satanists are THEISTS?

 

Actually atheists and agnostics do not believe in Satan.....that story is in the bible.

 

This nonsense came out of the Dust Bowl and the Depression .. and the traveling tent revivals.. Dallas Theological Seminary is based in the bad theology.

 

Up till the 1600's the church believed that the earth was flat. They even gave Galileo an inquisition over his belief that it wasn't. People believe something is the truth then a few hundred years later it's laughable:

 

The only pouty foot stampers I ever saw were Pride filled Christians.

I have always wondered why their god and their myths and beliefs didn't make them happier people????

 

That's easy....they are people who need a crutch to prop them up during hard times. After a tornado the survivors in a church or school which were demolished always thank god when they survive. I never have heard them praise the ol' man for causing the damned weather which caused it. I guess that's what ol' Satan does....control the weather.

 

That's not what was said. It's interesting to read some of your responses to Theists.

 

And then when an enlightened being came along, and tried to straighten the jews out, what happened? They killed his ass!!!!!!

There is a lesson here. When anyone, even God questions man's dogmatic beliefs, which they created of their own thinking, someone is gonna die. And generally the one questioning those beliefs. Beliefs are very powerful things. Some of us will even kill for them.

BTW, since Revelations has nothing to do with what JC tried to teach the jews, its a fake book. Written with an agenda, and a motive, and has nothing to do with what JC tried to teach the jews.

The only important, and genuine part of the NT, are what you can read in the teachings of JC. The rest of it was just made up, and old Paul corrupted the Teachings, or just ignored them completely. For if you take just the Teachings, including the Gospel of Thomas, which were purely just the teachings, you cannot invent the Christianity that arose as a religion that could be used by the evil roman empire.

Now, this jumped out at me 50 years ago when I decided to actually read the bible, and did it twice. There is a great incoherence, between the teachings of that enlightened being called JC and what would later become Christianity, as well as what Paul wrote. Most theology is based upon what Paul taught, and he invented Pauline Christianity. Which is what modern Christianity is based on. Preachers only quote Christ when they are trying to use him to back up what paul said.

JC was a revolutionary figure, who was going against the man made tradition of the jews. And they killed him, for doing it. Anytime a religion gets entrenched, and its false, you will never straighten it out, not even JC could do it. For what we are conditioned to believe, is more powerful than anything else. It requires being brain dead, but that is what any belief yields. It is the nature of the human ego. Human nature.