Fascism and banning free thought in Florida

You brought it up.

 

And you engaged with it?

 

Not I.

 

Sure you did. I asked:

You replied:

 

Sorry. I didn't understand you. Got it. Take care.

 

Just as long as you know that politicians make laws, and those politicians have views. Therefore laws are based on views.

 

I agree with the first sentence and disagree with the second one. Your "therefore" is not logical. It is opinion. Laws are based primarily on political pressures not the views of the legislators. If every legislator voted his or her conscience we would have far fewer laws and that would be a good thing. But it doesn't work that way. Why do we have some votes on both sides that are 100% the same? Political pressure.

 

You're right actually. But what is that political pressure based on? People's what?

 

People's personal interests, not the nation's interests.

 

Laws are based on ethics (in fact, a law is a form of ethics). Ethics are based on morals. Morals can be objective or subjective. So yes, laws are ultimately based on whether a politician's view is based on objective or on subjective moral principles. Fascist laws like those passed by DeSantis (thread topic) are a clear example of the latter.

 

So, their views.

 

Define "fascist" in a way which proves that DeSantis has passed fascist laws. I really don't expect much from you, I never do, but give it a red hot shot anyway

 

I knew that you couldn't offer anything!

 

Oh, so people's views?

 

You earn my nit-picker of the week award. Congratulations.

 

Just for future reference, be aware that I don't repeat answers that are ALREADY in the OP or that I have already extensively answered directly to the poster who asks. Feigning not having read it will not work. And ACTUALLY not reading it.... even less. I call that the "@chris155au rule."

 

Which are you saying applies in this case?

 

You expect me to go looking for your posts which are not replies to me! That's not how debate works!

 

Translation: you agree that laws are based on views.

 

So banning Shakespeare is OK cause you gotta own the Libs ...

****ing political parties are the most worthless pieces of crap in the whole world.

 

I said OP. I expect you to read the Opening Post of any thread you choose to participate in. Not waste everybody's time asking questions that are already answered there.

You should be proud that this is called the "@chris155au rule" I mean, to get a rule named after you despite the fact that you rarely write anything even worth reading, is quite an honor.

 

Don't pretend that you think that literally ANY book should be made available to kids. That's just being dishonest. I mean, you MIGHT be a total degenerate, perverted FREAK, but I highly doubt that.

I looked into that, and yeah it certainly seems like a stupid, baseless ban. But governments do all kinds of stupid things, but as far as I am aware, the vast majority of books which have been banned in Florida schools have been for a very good reason.

Fascist: a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism. So presumably the "fascism" with which you are saying they believe in or sympathise with, is the fascism of the DeSantis administration. But the problem for you is that you have not provided a definition of "fascism" in a way which proves that DeSantis is a fascist.

Yep, I totally agree.

So then I assume that you are against the modern day leftist desegregation efforts which we see in some colleges, albeit not very often.

If playing recordings of MLK speeches was banned in Florida, you would have said so.

"REAL conservatives" such as who?

How do you know that DeSantis personally banned the book?

Can you support your claim that teachers are forbidden from using words like "gender identity" or "gay?" Of course you can't. How typical.

 

I must thank you for opening a long response with a dumb binary line that makes it clear that you don't expect the rest to be taken seriously. It saves time and sets the tone by which I read the rest of your post.

No! It's not just "a stupid thing". It's one of several actions intended to sway a state into fascism.

It's definitely a reason that fascists would consider "good".

Rule of thumb 1: Whenever you feel the urge to say that I have not provided a definition, I more than likely HAVE.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/what-is-fascism.599179/

But I think DeSantis has covered ALL the basis. He's a fascist by ANY definition I have ever seen. So feel free to use your favorite.

Rule of thumb 2: Whenever you feel the urge to start a sentence that includes "I assume", DO assume that what follows is wrong and you'll likely be right for a change.

ANY who actually hold what conservatives claim are their values.

What difference does that make? Do you think Hitler was innocent of murdering Anna Frank because he didn't personally give the order to kill her? What nonsense!

See "Rule of Thumb 1"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/desantis-authoritarian-dont-say-gay-ban.598611/

 

Dumb binary line? I simply asserted that you are pretending that you think that literally ANY book should be made available to kids. If I was wrong in that assertion, then presumably you would have corrected me, but you did not! Either you are against school book banning in principle or you are not. You now have the opportunity to clearly state your position, but I do expect yet more dodging!

Well if banning a book because it includes pornographic material is "fascist", then GO FASCISM!

Nowhere in this post do you mention DeSantis. Again, the problem for you is that you have not provided a definition of "fascism" in a way which proves that DeSantis is a fascist. You have to take your definition of "fascism" and APPLY it specifically to DeSantis! It's really pretty simple, but can you do it? I doubt it!

I afforded you the assumption that you are a decent person, and therefore are against the modern day leftist desegregation efforts which we see in some colleges. I presented you with the opportunity to express condemnation of these modern day leftist desegregation efforts which we see in some colleges. You did not do so. Interesting.

I note that you had absolutely nothing in reply to this, so it's pretty clear that you know perfectly well that playing recordings of MLK speeches is not banned in Florida! But you will continue in your outlandish claims!

Oh, so you can't actually NAME any. Okay!

 

Same reason they don't put War and Peace and Shakespeare in 1 - 3 grades. I didn't get Dickens until freshman year. Poe and Shelly until then either.