Flood myth or biblical fact: Should believers swallow the Noah story?

I find the American Christians who identify such real suffering with their own experience of not being allowed to discriminate, as laughable were it not so tragic.

 

The Revelation says the RCC died years ago, and it is suffering from the internal Jezebel which we read about even now.

You mistake the Westboro Church for something different than the other side in the present Gay Rights battle which has the public thinking that it us OK to tell everyone about males masturbating with one another and promoting more sexual activity out in the open.

Westboro is like a Gay Parade in 1985 down the streets of Jerusalem in front of all Arab people and Jews.
They could do it, legally, so they did for the Press.

 

Westboro church is a very sick family... and Tel Avivi is a gay tourist destination.

 

Uh, no, it says the EARTH was formless and empty. I see no mention of rocks rotating around the Sun. This is blatant anachronism.

No, it says that God created light at some point.

No, it says that God separated waters from one another.

Sure, if you're working from the point where you already accept that the Bible is using a metaphor to talk about scientific knowledge unknown to men at the time.

And it also says that the sun and stars were made after the plants were made. Which is not true.

And for whatever reason only in these verses does it mean exactly what you need it to mean to support your hypothesis, huh?

No, that's your whacky interpretation of it.

Are you EVER going to actually address the criticisms I have presented you dealing with your hypothesis? Or are you just going to keep claiming that minute and spurious correlations exist between the Bible and modern science. Funny that for ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY nobody has looked at the Bible and made scientific revelations based on these readings. Funny that you only came to this conclusion AFTER these discoveries have already been made. You're basically just looking at one myth and then trying to, poorly, parallel it to our current understandings.

Which doesn't make sense. These readings were CLEARLY not meant to be read this way, since... you know... nobody EVER read it this way.

 

I don't have anything backwards. You are way off the mark if you think the only time Christians forced their beliefs others was during the Crusades 900 years ago.

Pope Innocent IV issued a Papal Bull allowing the use of Torture in 1252 and the horrors that followed this Bull lasted for Centuries.

Christians were doing "forced conversions" and committing genocide against Orthodox and Jewish Serbs during WW2. Support for this included the clergy.

Christians do not have as much power as they used to but that still does not stop them from trying to force religious beliefs on others through law.

The sanctity of life act is one example and the name of one of the boogiemen in this case is Paul Ryan.

Your lame attempts to dodge the premise by trying to shift the topic to Islam or persecution of Christians is nothing but an avoidance tactic but since you asked.

Present day Islam is far worse than present day Christianity and yes they often persecute Christians.

 

Cop out.

Oh! So it's harassment not persecution! Then why aren't they arrested? It is idiots making fools of themselves, not persecution or harassment.

 

Yeah, hundreds of years ago.

See above^^^^^^^^^^^

Who forcing anything by law? Make sense.

Boo hoo. You like abortion and hate Christians who don't. Welcome to the USA where we do not have to think like you.

Your double standard is noted.

 

Uh, there aren't laws in this country to not be harassed by protestors.

 

I have presented nothing but facts.

Your claim that Western Christianity hurts no one these days is false. There are evangelical ministers from the US in Uganda promoting hate against gays. http://feminismandreligion.com/2014...aries-preach-death-in-uganda-by-andreea-nica/

There are Christians in the US that are trying to make laws against abortion. Putting someone in Jail is generally considered harm.

Christians do not have the power that they used to in the West, and good thing too. The religious right is still trying to force their religious beliefs on others through law.

Why do you keep brining up Islam like I need to be convinced that Islam is evil. You are preaching to the choir.

The difference between me and you however is that I know the root cause of much of this evil.

 

Cop out? I used a word. So did you. We were apparently using it differently, and you had asked me to answer a question, so I asked for clarification so that I could better answer the question. You got upset and demanded that I provide my own definition . . . so I did. Do you feel something has been left unanswered? Because that is kinda what a cop out means.

Great. You asked for a definition, I gave it, and then you didn't even bother to read it. I guess I will try again:

"I would define persecution as the unprovoked and intentional physical or psychological harassment of another human being based on their beliefs, sexuality, race, etc."

They have been.

Agreed.

Then there must not be any non-believers persecuting or harassing believers here either.

 

OOPS! Wrong..........................

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/harassment.html

..............On the other hand, criminal harassment is usually confined to state law. States vary in how they define criminal harassment. Generally, criminal harassment entails intentionally targeting someone else with behavior that is meant to alarm, annoy, torment or terrorize them. Not all petty annoyances constitute harassment. Instead, most state laws require that the behavior cause a credible threat to the person's safety or their family's safety -

 

Waldensians, Cathars, Hugenots etc......... have all bee persecuted or massacred by the church.

 

Did you even read what you just posted, dude? Seriously, read the last sentence. You can harass somebody as long as you don't pose a threat to their safety.

 

Correct.

So they weren't arrested for persecution ergo they do not persecute.

I never said I was being persecuted. You have.

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Yeah deuuude. It is a crime to harass under certain conditions deuuuuuude.

 

Harassment was part of the definition I offered. If you would like to offer an alternate definition, feel free.

That's ridiculous. You claimed Christians were being persecuted overseas (and I agree), but how many of their persecutors have been arrested on the charge of persecution? None? Then it is a ridiculous measure.

I've explicitly said that I have not been persecuted. I ask you, yet again, to stop lying about me.

 

What you offered was incorrect and subjective at best.

Westboro persecutes? Wrong!

Wait a minute. Did you say that 'harassment' was part of your definition of 'persecution'? So you being forced to listen to horrible things while being plagued by night terrors isn't harassment???? Make up my mind pal! You're all over the place.

 

Then, for the third time, what's your definition?

Then offer a better definition. I'm open to it.

Yes I did.

I guess this is a good time to bring up the fact that night terrors aren't people. I was plagued by night terrors. I wasn't plagued by people. This people acted in a misguided way. They did not intentionally (psssst, go back and read the definition again) give me night terrors.

Your latching on to something that I had already clarified. Go back and read what I had to say about why I didn't consider their actions to be persecution. It is all right there. Nothing has changed. Now, bringing up persecution overseas and then trying to limit the discussion to the U.S. when it doesn't go your way? That's what I would call being "all over the place".

 

I think some children probably do have nightmares about the Bible myths...

I remember sitting in Sunday school and thinking that not only were some of the stories idiotic but they were cruel... Particularly the stories that begin with the arbitrary slaughter of innocents.

 

Take your own advice and read. Harassment was part of the definition. So was intention. My definition requires both, as I've already clarified before. The SBC didn't intentionally give me night terrors.

Maybe the third time is a charm: ""I would define persecution as the unprovoked and intentional physical or psychological harassment of another human being based on their beliefs, sexuality, race, etc."

 

So if someone forces you to listen to horrible things to the point of you experiencing night terrors, that is not harassment? But what Westboro does is?

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You dodged. Expected.

 

Democrats "murder" traitors , like the Rosenbergers, for instance.
Dictators kill rebels.
Kings eliminate people for treason.
Emperors kill anyone they please too.
Oligarchies under communism killed millions of of Businessmen.

Theocracies kill heretics.

 

They did not intentionally do these things knowing that they would cause night terrors. The WBC intentionally does the things that they do and they revel in it. As loony as my church was, this kind of behavior would have never been tolerated.

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And they all deserve condemnation for it.

 

pssssssst.............per·se·cu·tion
ˌpərsəˈkyo͞oSH(&#601n/
noun
noun: persecution; plural noun: persecutions
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.
"her family fled religious persecution"
synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More
persistent annoyance or harassment.
"his persecution at the hands of other students"


So who persecuted you by this definition?

See above, above.

So someone being forced to listen to horrible things is not persecution or harassment.

 

Besides a few idiots in high school? No one. What the SBC did to me had no hostility behind it. The WBC does.

Jeezy creezy -- you were the one calling these things persecution and harassment, not me.

 

That you even know about Westboro is the whole point.
Westboro got public attention across America so that it could condemn out in the open Gayness, to which they needed to add the harlots and Welfare people, too.

Churches in America need amass outside of congressmen's homes and demonstrate against the permission for Gays and Harlots to change the culture which ends up hurting kids with Child Abuse.