Flood myth or biblical fact: Should believers swallow the Noah story?

We understand very well what people living in the middle east did and did not know 2,000 years ago. We know how they lived, how they fought, and how they died. In fact, there is very little that we don't know about people in in that time period in human history. You thinking that the Bible is some kind of science book sans evidence indicates YOUR bias and closed mind on the subject. Perhaps if you read more than one book on the subject, you might come to a better understanding.

 

Are you really arguing for a Third Eye?

 

Lol, no.

It doesn't say that. You are trying to take scientific principles out of context and make them fit the hpthings you made up about the bible.

 

What I read in Genesis corresponds with what I read in Science, and I have stated a short list which you can only mock based upon the hypothesis that your doubt is correct and you are wrong.
This is in spite of failing to actually correct any of the many things in my starter list above.

Repeating that YOU are right, saying I am wrong is nonsense which babies use when they fight.

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It DOES say that an Observer is required in order that Wave Functions collapse, and before the Big Bang, there had been no collapse.

 

The idea of an "observer" has been abused by non-physicists. Nothing about it requires a conscious observer. And it is still debated whether or not the initial states of the Bib Band operated according to quantum mechanical laws.

 

It doesn't say that, but you can't speak to what was before the Big Bang.

 

I was giving you an out because it is clear that you want to stand on a hill somewhere and declare the Bible right regardless of the facts. But if you want facts, here you go (and this is just for starters):

http://www.holeybooks.com/2011/05/the-top-six-most-ridiculous-things-in-genesis-gen-1-50/

While there are many holes in Genesis, these are the top six most ridiculous (in no particular order). If any of you readers out there find any other candidates, by all means — supply them in the comments.

1. God creates the world, and then creates it again (Gen. 1-2). The two different accounts of Genesis are clearly—if you read them with any critical sense whatsoever—two vastly different versions of the creation of the world. The consensus is that these were originally two different oral traditions written down by two different authors, identified by the vastly different way they refer to “God.” But their details, too, are confusing. In one, for example, God creates both man and woman after the animals; in the second version, he creates the animals first, and then man after them, and woman only after man. Of course, the creation here also makes no logical sense: God creates night and day before he creates the sun and stars (Gen. 1:14-19)

2. God breaks his promises (Gen. 2 & 5). God told Adam he would die when he ate the fruit. Adam ate the fruit. Adam lived to be more than 900 years old.

3. Jacob wrestles God (Gen. 32). Taking this story literally: God descends into man form, for no apparent reason, and wrestles with Jacob until daybreak. Jacob, the entire time, doesn’t seem fazed by the fact that a random dude is wrestling him all night. And then eventually God gives up, again for no real reason.



4. God endorses polygamy (Gen. 29, 30, others). Throughout Genesis, God consistently supports — or rather doesn’t take action against — polygamy. Yes, you might say, but God lets a lot of things pass that he doesn’t approve of, right? Wrong. Throughout Genesis, he frequently takes action to intervene. Yet he gives polygamy a pass by rewarding Jacob and his wives with children (Gen. 29:31; Gen. 30:17; Gen. 30:22), for example.

5. Abraham is not a good guy (Gen. 11-25). For the supposed patriarch of three of the world’s great religions, it’s amazing how terrible a person Abraham seems to be. First, he essentially whores out his wife to Pharaoh to save his own skin (Gen. 12), deceives Abimelek (Gen. 20), takes up with a servant girl when his wife is older (Gen. 16) (but kicks them out later (Gen. 21)), and nearly kills his own son (Gen. 22) (although for argument’s sake we will assume that God deceived him on this one—which is no less ridiculous). Throughout his life, Abram/Abraham is self-centered, heartless, avaricious, and heir-crazed. He’s just not admirable.

6. A Talking Snake. Snakes can’t talk. This is impossible. No other animal in the book talks, and never again are snakes talking. This isn’t in and of itself ridiculous, however, unless we take the story literally. Then it is. Snakes are too stupid to talk. A further point, though: While the text itself, it’s important to note, isn’t otherwise ridiculous in this sense as we have mentioned before, nothing in Genesis indicates the serpent in Gen. 3 is the devil, what is ridiculous is the later interpretations of Genesis asserting without equivocation that the Serpent was Satan. There is, simply, no evidence in the text for this interpretation.

You want more? I can go all day.

 

I am exposing the source behind the many references to what was called The Third Eye.

It is the same entity which some Christians refer to as a "personal relationship" with Christ.

The genetically reproduced Unconscious mind is "born again" into us at birth.
It comes with the territory of being human.It contains all the instructions regarding how act like a human.
It holds the Instincts man has developed inside himself, all ready for reactions to events which may occur.
It contains our emotional intelligence.
It has stored all the amazing things told to the Bible Writers to set down as scripture.


Scientific verifications for this Unconscious mind have been obtained from experiments which are explained in the book, "Subliminal: How the Unconscious Mind rules our lives."

 

The ancient claim of science was to use an axiom that said EXCEPT for the first cause which started the Universe, everything else has an explainable Cause/Effect relationship.

They said the First Cause could not be explained, but there was cause for the universe, whether we call it creator or not.

Thus seems good enough if you can't understand the Copenhagen Interpretation.
Either way, something started things happening, and they keep on happening, as Reality unfolds moment by moment now.

 

Good post...

 

I don't think the "observer" has to "conscious."

Consciousness is a State-of-mind for men, who have merely extended the once very short pause during the Response to Fear, such as it is now 24 hours long and called "awareness."

Proverbs 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find (Reality), the knowledge of (what men call) God.


Whatever "Observed" the Big Bang did not need to be afraid.

 

Great.
Now we can see how you just don't read comprehensively as we take these statements, one at a time, and explain what they mean:

"3. Jacob wrestles God (Gen. 32). Taking this story literally: God descends into man form, for no apparent reason, and wrestles with Jacob until daybreak. Jacob, the entire time, doesn’t seem fazed by the fact that a random dude is wrestling him all night. And then eventually God gives up, again for no real reason."

Jacob sees the ladder which is a series of seven archetypal psychic layers inside his own mind.
He "wrestles" with these as he sleeps and is confronted by his own Unconscious mind, which is inside this mental" kingdom within," (Luke 17:21).




Jacob sees the Truth, or his own Unconscious mind and the relationship he has mentally with his own Subconscious mind.

1) Id = Lucifer
2) Libido = Satan
3) Ego = Mammon
4) Anima = Devil
5) Self = Beelzebub
6) Superego = False Prophet
7) Harmony = False shepherd

Conscience = Good Shepherd

God gives up, because the task of men is to wrestle with these evil inputs themselves.

 

You just have this one wrong here because you aren't thinking too clearly.
You say it yourself, that Adam does die.

What you kiss is that before God locked Adam out of Eden, Adam MUST have not been going to die at all.
But because he acted badly by favoring the woman inside himself, a rib of his seven archetypes inside his own psyche, Adam does die.

What this tells us is that man once had conscious contact with his Unconscious mind, and remembered previous past lives he had experienced. But because of sin in Eden, he is locked onside his own Conscious mind, and unaware of this powerful Unconscious inside himself.

Now I must recommend you read the SCIENCE on this idea as presented in a recent book, "Subliminal, How the Unconscious mind rules us."
Here you will see the recent MRI evidence which supports what I am saying above.

 

But because he acted badly by favoring the woman inside himself, a rib of his seven archetypes inside his own psyche, Adam does die.


New Age and woman hating????????

 

The first account is about God, stating what he has created. (Gen 1)

The second account is about Adam, describing how he takes a "long, evolutionary, sleep," and his psyche develops and matures as it adds the feminine side of the Anima to his Subconscious mind."

As you tells us above, from Adam's perspective, he was created before the animals, which is as far as he knows.

 

Haaaa,...
Nah.
The seven archetypes want to dominate our thinking, and when they do, Conscience is displaced and the behavior becomes evil.
This story also tells us that The Self was a long aged Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, existing right from the beginning inside us all.

And the "snake" is an ancient symbolism for the Superego which uses the same logical mind as described in the story, reasoning with us.
Adam is the Libido, which is easily molded by the whims and demands of the feminine principal, though.

 

Actually the snake was worshipped all over Egypt, the Middle east and Indus Valley as a symbol of fertility and rebirth..

 

I think that was the frog your thinking of there.

For instance:
Exod. 8:3 And the river (of this growing Judaism) shall bring forth (the religious issue of the resurrection, of life after death, and foolishness of mummies, i.e. the (symbolic) frog, abundantly, (these Jews will question the Egyptology of four males are toads, i.e.; Nun [primordial matter and primordial space]; Kuk [the illimitable and the boundless]; Huh [darkness and obscurity]; Amon [hidden and concealed ones]: Groliers Enc), which (religious matters) shall go up (everywhere among the people) and come into thine house (by the voice of thy children), and into thy bedchamber (from thy wife), and upon thy (marriage) bed (in pillow talk), and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people (throughout the community), and into thine (kitchens as they toil at the) ovens, and into thy kneading troughs (of the bakery staff):


The Snake has long been associated with Knowledge and science, logic.
We see the snake sign used by Moses to indicate his medical services areas, which we still use today for that same reason:

 

Well, that's not correct at all. Obviously, you haven't paid much attention to either account, because if you had, it would have been as apparent to you as it is to many people that the two are at complete odds with one another. Try again.

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The oldest known religious symbol, from 70,000 years ago in Africa, is a snake.

 

No... not frogs... snakes.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_brotherhoodsnake08.htm

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/8845-Snake-Cults-Dominated-Early-Arabia

The Caduceus of Mercury (Roman) and the Karykeion of Hermes (Greek)

Many "medical" organisations use a symbol of a short rod entwined by two snakes and topped by a pair of wings, which is actually the caduceus or magic wand of the Greek god Hermes (Roman Mercury), messenger of the gods, inventor of (magical) incantations, conductor of the dead and protector of merchants and thieves. It is derived from the Greek karykeion = "herald's staff", itself based on the word "eruko" meaning restrain, control.

 

So how many years is 63 billion hours (with or without leap years)?

 

Yes, Mercury is the planetary symbol for the god, which is concerned with thining and reasoning:

"Mercury, much like the winged messenger of the gods, comes in on feather-light wings and commands us to speak. Communication, intellect and awareness are all within Mercury's domain, as are logic and reasoning, our manner of thinking, and how we create and express our thought processes."

http://www.astrology.com/mercury-planet-communication/2-d-d-67273

 

... 4 billion... about.

 

?
I said they were way different.

Gen 1 was telling what God had done.
Gen 2 was explaining what happened to the evolving mind of man as man developed an archetypal mind wherein the Feminine Principle was enlarged and a doorway into the anima.

This very important in the story which ends with telling us that Truth is the savior.

 

Utter nonsense.