Flood myth or biblical fact: Should believers swallow the Noah story?

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    ...possible,...
    But you do not deny that a mass extinction took place 40,000 years ago, do you?
    You do accept that Neanderthal man disappeared enmass, right?

    Only the three racial stocks of Ham, Japheth, and Shem survived.
     
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    No, I don't deny that. It was probably due to climates change.

    It's proven that only few degrees can cause a species to go extinct
     
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    ...and,... ONLY the Hebrew story relates the "flood" to extinction,
    Extinction is preceded by a genealogy of 22 "kinds" of men, (species).
    These 22 "kinds" of different men, then, are explained as a Table of the Nations, the first of its kind ever.

    The Hebrew story relates the "flood" to the EVOLUTION of man and Nations, which other myths fail to do.
    The other myths speak about gods and there relationship with on another.
    But never are the practical nor related to the nations which we know followed.
    They are myths.

    The Hebrew story insists that it refers to Realities.
     
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    But you counted the first seven "days" as if they were 24 hour durations, not long Ages as the Hebrew word for "day" can mean.

    Remeber that the Earth's Solar Clock had not been created as a time piece until "Day" four, in Gen 1:14.

    THe Six Ages of Time before the Solar Clock was created:

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    September 16, 2009
    Using the new data, Hammer and his team were able to pinpoint the geographic distribution of a genetically more resolved Cohen Modal Haplotype and tease apart a multiplicity of male lines that founded the priesthood in ancient Hebrew times. The more fully resolved Cohen Modal haplotype (called the extended Cohen Modal Haplotype) accounts for almost 30 percent of Cohanim Y chromosomes from both Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Jewish communities, is virtually absent in non-Jews, and likely traces to a common male ancestor that lived some 3,200 years ago in the Near East.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Here's the whole image. This is taught to children as part of montessori material to give children a better understanding of geological time scale by putting different eras into a 12 hour clock


    http://www.fossils-facts-and-finds.com/clock_of_eras.html


    Here what a real era clock looks like

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    If we go by what you said and say that 1 hour is 375 million years then all that's left is math

    375,000,000x24 hours in a day=9,000,000,000

    9,000,000,000x 7 days it tool to make the earth= 63,000,000,000

    So according to you then the earth is 63 billion years old.

    Give everyone a favor. Don't use something you don't know.

    The era clock was never ment to be literal

    It was ment to give children in scools something to compare Earth's time line to.

    In this case it's a 12 hour clock
     
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    Apart from Greek mythology, the Gilgamesh Epic, Hindu mythology.
     
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    There are some 600 flood stories and it seems to me that the ones I have read were about some god destroying the people...

    But, there was no mass extinction of humankind.....
     
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    Hahaaaaa,...

    Funny.
    1 hour = so and so.

    Look.
    Both Charts above say that there were six days after the Earth formed, and the first "day" was billions of our years long, before the earth became a globe.
    That was the seven "days," which are unrelated to our Solar Clock or our 24 hour days here on Earth.

    Look at both the charts you posted, ass that the circular Chart has the SAME six durations as the chart I posted.
    These are Geological Clocks.'They do not time earth hours at all.
    They time how long a layer of earth has taken to begin and end.
     
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    Neanderthal extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_extinction
    Wikipedia
    Jump to Modern humans' advantage in hunting - A survey of early sites of modern humans and Neanderthals with faunal remains across Spain
     
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    Do you READ your non working links?

    The new evidence narrows the period in which both Neanderthals and modern humans coexisted in Europe to approximately 5,000 years.[1] The duration of this period is uncertain.[3] There is evidence that modern humans reached Europe sometime between 45,000 and 43,000 years ago.[4] The new evidence, based on conclusions from improved radiocarbon dating indicates that Neanderthals became extinct 40,000 years ago, which overturns older less accurate carbon dating which incorrectly indicated that Neanderthals may have lived as recently as 24,000 years ago in refugia on the south coast of the Iberian peninsula such as Gorham's Cave.[5][6] Inter-stratification of Neanderthal and modern human remains has been suggested,[7] but is disputed.[8]

    Even a slight competitive advantage on the part of modern humans could account for Neanderthals' replacement by anatomically modern humans on a timescale of 10,000–20,000 years

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_extinction

    No indication of a mass extinction by some catastrophic event.
     
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    Im not religious but I think religion is based on fact.

    In some places elongated skulls were found all around the world.

    The oldes religion, the sumarian religion talks in detail about How these being called annunaki came from a planet called niburu.in this ancient text they said that they came to earth no mine precious metals like gold and that annunaki made humans out of the existing Neanderthal to preform the task. They gave a name to the first men. They were called adamu, which in sumarian tongue means literally first man in a plural term
    If it was singular it would have been adam. Sounds familiar.They lived in a place called Edin

    The Sumerian Tablets are 4,500 years old
    The Torah is 3313 years old which is the Old Testiment in the bible.
    This makes the Sumerian tablets 1187 years older than the Torah. If we take the 2 and compare them we can see how the Priests with their agenda changed the Torah from what really happened by looking at the Sumerian Tablets.
    Coincidence?
    Comparison: The Bible versus the Anunnaki stories
    In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth and all life on Earth, man and woman, in 7 days resting on the 7th day. The garden of Eden where 4 rivers meet Pishon, Gihon, Tigress, Euphrates.
    In the Anunnaki version the Anunnaki Enki lands on Earth with 50 Anunnaki Hero's and established Eridu in the Edin in 7 days making the 7th day a rest day. the Edin where 4 rivers meet. ( Mesopotamia, Iraq )

    These anunaki looked like humans but had an elongated skull


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    All around the world do we see remains of skulls like this. Some were human some are not

    http://www.collective-evolution.com...eased-unknown-to-any-human-primate-or-animal/

    This skull isn't human

    Haman skull has a fracture looking thing on the top of their skulls

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    Some elongated skulls are missing this fracture.

    I suspectact the great flood was meant to clear away the mistakes they made. To wipe out all the failures

    This could explain why other cultures also have flood myths but don't tell it as a mass extinction.
     
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    Neither does the Hebrew. 8 people survived.

    Gilgalmesh.

    The sea calmed and the whirlwind and flood stopped. All day long there was quiet. All humans had turned to clay.

    When Enlil arrived, he saw the boat and became furious at the Igigi gods. He said "Where did a living being escape? No man was to survive the annihilation!"


    Greek.
    Deucalion and his cousin-wife, Pyrrha (daughter of Prometheus' brother Epimetheus and Pandora), survived for 9 days of flooding before landing at Mt. Parnassus. All alone in the world they wanted company.
     
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    The Annunaki are a myth.... a fun myth but just a myth..


    There are many ancient cities all over the world that have NO flood footprint including Jericho which is a thousand feet below sea level.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Well, I guess its important for some to believe in supernatural stuff.. and fantastic tales..
     
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    Well I'm an atheist. So to me religion period was a myth

    The anunaki myth is pretty weird and scientific compared to others

    They believe that Their planet's (niburu) atmosphere is disappearing.To fix this problem They needed precious elements like gold (wich serves as a great conductor) to somehow fix their problem.Scientist say that over time the sun strip the electromagnetic field of a planet. This is what happened to mars. It's Electromagnetic field was striped and all the water evaporated as the result.It happened about 4 billion years ago. right when earth was first created.

    Add to that that the whole Hebrew religion origin story is an exact copy of anunaki religion. Predating Hebrew by over 1000 years

    They created man out of the Neanderthals to help them getting them gold.

    Anunaki had elongated skulls.

    An old text like this having so many modern concept is unique.
    On top of that, there are remains of these skulls and currently, they do not match any known genome.Furthermore they had more volume in the skull.

    Isn't that starnge?

    Many people believe in aliens today. With that in mind, isn't it not so far off to think that Maybe Sumerian 7000 year old religion isn't just something randomly made up. What if the event actually happened. If they had the technology to space travel then don't you think they would have the knowledge to minipulate a genome?

    If you were them,wouldn't you do the same thing?

    Less labor you and more cost effective. We treat our cattle that way.Why do the work when you could have thsee indigenous people do it.
     
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    OK.. I'll bite.. Where are these Annunaki skulls?
     
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    That's the point. They are supposed to be the same.

    As I've said the whole 375 million year = 1 hour was created as teaching material for children in montessori learning programs

    It's meant for children to have to have an analog to compare to. Hence the clock


    you fail to realised this
     
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    Is there a greater hypocrite in the Bible than Moses? He broke all of the rules he killed other people for not following.
     
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    Doesn't explain anything. Read the article
     
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    You know that its a private museum and the guy has no credentials and no affiliation with any university, plus.. he's appeared on some sci-fi shows about aliens.

    There are also tribes that bind babies heads or necks to distort them.

    Artificial cranial deformation, head flattening, or head binding is a form of body alteration in which the skull of a human being is deformed intentionally. It is done by distorting the normal growth of a child's skull by applying force. Flat shapes, elongated ones (produced by binding between two pieces of wood), rounded ones (binding in cloth), and conical ones are among those chosen.

    Typically, it is carried out on an infant, as the skull is most pliable at this time. In a typical case, headbinding begins approximately a month after birth and continues for about six months.

    continued

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation
     
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    Skull shaping was the method the Mayan nobility used to identify their royal offspring. It started on the babies. They would always be recognizable as royalty.
     
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    I know, but there are more instances than that.. The link is pretty interesting if you have a minute.
     
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