God and extraterrestial life

Well, I'm not a creationist, but there's absolutely no problem with ET's and God, quite the contrary.
If I believe in an infinite God who (however) created an infinite universe the mere mind-dazzling logic of infinity dictates that there's probably an infinite number of planets with life on them.

 

Since God is the Author of the Bible, it doesn't matter what time period it was written in as He knows all.

Whether man can travel to the moon or mars doesn't change the fact that the earth is the center of Gods dealings in the universe. And, that there is no terrestrial life out there as God has given the begining and end to the creation story and the redemption story.

What occurrs after that is unknown.

Yes I believe all of Psalm 104.

Quantrill

 

Does the Bible state otherwise?

 

Why ask me? You made the claim.

Quantrill

 

If you you believe there is no other life out cosmos somewhere, you MUST fall in one of these two categories:

1 – Your little brain simply cannot grasp how big this universe is. You probably think the Earth is still flat and is the center of the universe.

2 – You are a brain washed, brain dead sheeple (A.K.A. part of 'god's' flock) who has lost the capability to think on their own. Simply put, if its not in the bible, your brain can not process the information, so it simply disregards the information.

Personally, I would be shocked if this planet was the only planet that harbored life in the universe.

Personally, I wouldn’t be shocked if we found life (past or present) on a planet or moon (other than Earth) w/in our own solar system.

 

Why do you say it gives no room for extra- T's?

It doesnt mention alot of sentient lives, like Africans, like Chinese etc etc.

Its clearly a fact that I, as an agnostic, am closer to god than you.

 

God knowing all doesn't mean God reveals all to us stupid humans.

If you - in spite of satellite-photos confirming that idea negative - believe that the earth is built on pillars: fine.

But even if I was a creationist, I'd think that if it took God just six days to create earth and all its lifeforms He may have used the rest of eternity to do some more building work. That's a lot of spare time in need of filling.

 

Hard to say with probabilities because we don't know how many life sustaining planets exist outside of us. We also don't know if there is some form of intelligent life that may have evolved by means we do not currently understand. I have a weak belief that extra-terrestrials exist. I don't really find this issue that exciting though. It's fun to talk about but I'm not going to get into a heated exchange over it unless someone says something really stupid.

P.S., the Vatican says aliens could exist and not conflict with God! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7399661.stm. So for all you thoughtful Catholics out there, no problem if you want to believe in aliens.

 

I have already explained why I said it. God's purpose for mankind and the earth is fully given in the Bible. No other life forms are included. No other life forms exist other than the spiritual, angels, demons, etc.

You as an agnostic can believe whatever you like.

Quantrill

 

Indeed, God doesn't reveal all to us. But He has revealed His purpose for man and the earth, and that the earth is the center of the universe for life.

And, He has revealed the other life that exist in angels, and demons. So, there is no 'extra terrestrial' life out there. There are angels throughout the universe.

Give the verses you describe in Psalm 104.

Well, if you don't believe God created this, why do you believe He created other life forms in the universe?

Quantrill

 

Wow .. that is very interesting. Strange though that in reading through the Bible 6 or 7 times I never came across this.

Where in the Bible does it say that the earth is the center of the universe for life and there is no extra terrestrial life out there ?

 

Wow...perphaps you should read it again. Wow.

From Genesis to Revelation God's work is with the earth. Culminating in the future new heavens and new earth.

Quantrill

 

It is you that makes the claim that the Bible states these things. If this is true then cite the passages.

I do not believe your claim and it would be silly for me to search for something that does not exist.

 

I just told you. Throughout the whole Bible, Gods work is centered on the earth. Other work of His is going on in the heavens but this involves angels, demons, but no extra terrestrial.

Read the first 5 chapters of Genesis and the last 5 of Revelation. Im sure it will be an enlightning experience.

Quantrill

 

Read them too many times to count and in differing Bible translations.

There is no mention of what you claim.

What it does say though is that it was God(s) plural that created humans !

 

Well if you won't read it, don't say it doesn't say what I said it does. God has made the earth the center of life in the universe.

Quantrill

 

Your theory is bunk. He speaks through all the hearts of men.

 

Not a theory. And, not according to the Bible.

Quantrill

 

Not a theory? A proven fact then? A testable proposition?

Yes, we know what the bible says. It says many things. Is there any logical reason beyond the taking on of mere faith for this text to be considered not a theory?

Perhaps the fact that christianity is 2000 years old and very influencial in peoples lives?

Perhaps the fact that you happen to believe in its truth and, you being you, that should be enough for anyone else?

Lastly, you are here on this forum telling us directly that you have considerable belief and certainty in the bible. Which indeed is interesting - but is there anything more here?

For example, arent you here also to give us the reasonable arguments as to why we should also think as you do? Or is it really just about letting us know what you think because really you find yourself very important to yourself?

 

I usually like Quantrill's posts on this forum because they usually don't attempt to be something they're not. While others tend to dig deeper and deeper holes for themselves as they try to wiggle themselves out of attempts to rationalize positions that cannot be rationalized, Quantrill is usually quite honest about his position; if it is not in the scripture then it is false or wrong or non-existent or whatever the subject may be.

In short, Quantrill does not usually try to argue why others should think as he does. He usually only reiterates why he thinks as he does.


PS: Notice the word "usually"

 

Cool.

I like toast.

Is that really what we're here for?

 

To like? Well, I reckon some are here to dislike.

 

Psalm 104, verse 5 (A beautiful Psalm by the way) But maybe you had difficulties to find it because where my German translation says "Pfeiler" = pillars the English one says "foundations".
Well, I think even the Catholic Church has already come round to the conviction that the Earth is in fact a ball rotating round the sun in space and is not literally built on pillars or foundations. But never mind, as long as you don't start burning witches and sorcerers you can believe what you want.

So where in the Bible does it say that God did not create any lifeforms in the universe other than those that can be found on earth? Verse please?

 

The Bible is the Word of God and declares what is true.

I can tell you what I believe the Bible is saying and support it with Scripture. I do not try and reason you into believing as I do. I simply state it. That is all I am required by God to do. Convincing you is His job.

My importance is based on Gods view of me. Not mans.

Quantrill

 

Thanks, I will.

As I have already said, God has shown througout the Bible that the earth is the center of life and the center of His attention. He does not include any extra terrestrials. Because He has not made any.

As I told another, read the first 5 chapters of the Bible and the last 5. All is centered on the heavens and the earth. No other life forms other than angels and demons are evident.

Quantrill