God and extraterrestial life

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Its because He is God.

Because He knows who all are before they are ever born. Because He is God.

If God is punishing evil, then it is not evil.

As I said, there are no infants in heaven. When they die their spirit returns in it's full growth state. Just as there are no old people in heaven as their spirit takes on its perfect 'age' for lack of a better word.

We have already discussed infants. Is your attention span that short?

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Of course.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Killing Jews has nothing to do with this question.

Either post the passages from the Bible that support your assertion or quit making your claim.

 

Indeed, but that neednt obviate the need to know him/it. So is there any reason beyond he is God to want to know him?

How can he if theyve never lived? Or have they indeed lived?

Perhaps its just ignorance?

Why would one want to punish evil one has created? Perhaps instead God should be punished for this transgression?

Surely sympathy and teaching is more effective in any case?

Is this because theyve been given a life in which to grow and commit the sins for which they are to be punished?

Whats a perfect age by the way?

Forgive me, these concepts are difficult to find reason in, perhaps its just me.

I take it that babies if they die, at some point before their judgement they are given an opportunity to become sinners.

 

God created other worlds.

No, we don't. There is no scientific evidence for life outside of earth at this time. That doesn't mean there can't be, just there is no evidence for it.

Could be.

 

The universe is infinite? Please point out your evidence for that?

From my understanding, there is still a lot of debate on that issue.

 

Angels and demons, by definition, are extra-terrestrial life.

They are lifeforms that did not orginate from planet earth.

There is no difference between saying you believe in angels and demons and saying you believe in extra-terrestrial life.

Anyone who is a Christian believes in extra-terrestrial life as one of the major pillars of his religion. God Himself is a lifeform that did not originate from earth, ie an extra-terrestrial.

So be careful what you say lest you find yourself denying the existence of God all because you were ignorant of word definitions. There are no excuses with Him. You'll get scorched for that just like I will for all the many women I have had sex with and not married.

 

The believer wants to know God because the believer is of God. God is our Father.

Because He is God.

God created creatures with a will. Thus the inevitability of evil exists as the creature with a will, wills against God. Which God judges.

Proabably the same adult state Adam and Eve were created in.

All born of Adam are sinners.

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Well, thats not the definition that is used in this discussion. I doubt the original poster would say he was considering angels and demons or God as extra terrestial.

I am careful with what I say and am not bothered in the least by what I have said. I certainly am not worried about what I have said before God, as what I have said is to bring honor and glory to God.

Bragging or complaining?

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Is that a no?
By the way, is God my father? Or do I have to believe as you do?

Therefore God creates people whom he knows, who never live but are created as sinners to become adults without life and without thoughts. Then if they dont measure up theyre punished for eternity.

Indeed, but according to you he creates them as adults in the life hereafter without having ever actually lived. Then he judges them.

Indeed. But they lived lives. Your conception of God throws far more people into the fire without this priviledge.

Indeed? Could name just one sin that a baby can commit?

 

Isaiah is talking about a fallen Babylonian King. This is the only place Lucifer is used in the Bible - and it IS NOT a name of Sa-tan.

Again, people reading it got it wrong.

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven (a hight), O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

 

Actually this "born sinners" has also been called into question as misunderstanding.

In the Adam and Chavvah story - they are punished - and the only thing we are told enters the word as a consequence of their sin - is death - a natural consequence, as they are now fully human, and out of Eden - their children are naturally born in that natural world.

 

There is no Hell - Sheol is the grave of holding.

It is amazing how much Pagan info got mixed into the Bible by contact with Rome.

Strange that you pick and choose - you pick the proselytize verses - and toss the verse on how to proselytize!

 

The believer wants to know God because He is God and God is his Father. Sounds like a no. I don't know why anyone else would want to know God.
If Christ is not your Lord and Saviour, then I can only say God is not your Father.

God did not create anyone as a sinner. But He knew they would be sinners. And He knows all who will be born into sin from Adam, before they are born.

No, you don't understand what I have said. Go back and reread.

Yes the lived lives. So? Yes, more people will be in Hell than Heaven.

A bably doesn't have to commit a sin to be a sinner. Its born a sinner.

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Really? If Satan didn't fall, what happened to him?

Of course, people got it wrong except you. Sorry. Im not buying your version.

Throughout Scripture reference is sometimes made to the spirit behind the individual. Thus Christ could say to Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan:" Mark 8:33 Because Satan was the one behind Peters rebuke of Christ.

Thus in Is. 14 you have a real Babylonian ruler addressed but then the language moves to an arena where no human ruler could exist.

And his name is given as Lucifer or son of dawn or morning.

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Well, just because you and others call something of the Bible or Christian teaching into question, means nothing. I call what you say into question. See how easy that is.

Sorry. You show your ignorance when you say " the ony thing we are told ". We are told much more. Buy a concordance and look it up.

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Though 'hell' and 'sheol' are terms used for the grave, there is an everlasting punishment taught in the Scriptures of which 'hell' and 'sheol' play a role in that after death its where the body goes, yet the spirit and soul goes to God. And prior to the ascension of Christ, believers and non-believers both went to hell, which was divided into paradise and torment sections. Since the cross and ascension of Christ however, the paradise section is empty and all believers are with God, and all believers who now die go straight to Heaven in the presense of Christ.

The unbelievers still go to hell, the torment section. The final punishment for them will be the Lake of Fire, which will be the end place for all those who are not believers of God and Christ. It's not pagan. Its Scriptural.


Strange that I stay in context with what is being said? I don't toss anything. I attribute it to its correct gospel. Something you don't do. Its easier that way, isn't it?

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If God created me, then he must be my father even if I dont worship him. If not, then then what is he to me?


Surely in order to be a sinner. To commit a sin, one must live at least something of a life.

If I for example, as a sinner. Spend all my life in a box instead of in the world, is it possible for me to sin?

Indeed a baby born as a sinner. Created by God, is then punished having commited no sins when they are recreated as a perfect age adult.....Yet you christians speak of God as all about love.

 

No, He is just God to you.

No, one is born a sinner. If you spend all your life in a box, you are just a sinner in a box.

The baby is a sinner. Yes, God is a God of love.

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I am so glad there is a thread like this here.

I am a Christian and I believe extraterrestial life exist. I don't think science contradict bible either.

Here is my theory: Extraterrestial life are either angels or fallen angels(demon), but I think fallen angels are more likely, at least the ones that keep visting the earth with their spaceship, have weird looking and abducting human and cattle mutilation. I believe there are different kinds of ET and they look different too. I would think angels and fallen angels look different, the angels would look much prettier. The space is heaven. The angels live in other planets outside of our solar system, live much futher than the fallen angels live. Since bible say the devil and his angels throw down to earth, filled with rage, because he knows that he has only a little left. I guess the "earth" here is not only mean the earth itself, it also mean the areas that close to the earth, like the moon, the dark side of the moon, may be the Mercury, the Mars, or simply the solar system.

And God live in the highest layer of the space, which is what we have been believed or imagined as heaven.

I would think, in the end, the Armageddon could be a space war mixed with the nuke in the earth. All in all the war zoon will be here in the earth and the space near the earth.

 

Does God love those hes thrown into the fire?

 

I think so too. and I think the life on other planets could be angles, they wouldn't look like the ET that we image. I believe there are different kinds of life in the universe, therefore they look different. But I think the ET ususally see on TV, probably they are demons or fallen angles.

 

He did, he gave them a chance.

 

Indeed. And does he love them after theyve foregone that chance?

 

No.

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