God and extraterrestial life

Interesting. I haven't read the Book of Enoch. Where did you hear of this?

I am a Christian but not so opposed to the possibility of life outside of our universe. God is a creator. The Bible does not say that God did not create any other beings and that we are his only creation. Do you agree?

 

It's all on a documentary on the banned books. They talk about the Book of Enoch, the Gospels of Mary Magdeline and Peter the Apostle and the Book of Thomas

 

The catholic church holds that view too. Pope John Paul decreed yeara ago that the existence of aliens does not contridict the bible.

 

Cool, because whether people want to call aliens a conspiracy or not, I believe they are to be blamed for Christians being taken up in what the Bible calls the "Rapture".

Truth or fiction, I am not sure. I doubt any believer wouldn't entertain that idea.

 

Also I am usually not off topic or superstitious but I had to get my credit count off of 666....LOL.

God loves His universe and is my creator. Someday, all will be revealed. In the meantime, the only things I have seen in the sky that is fast is falling stars! They say spaceships can do speeds which we cannot reach. I dunno??!

 

Actually the word Nephilim does not have to mean giants, and one of the more normal ones is probably the correct translation.

The Sons of the Elohiym, also in Gen 6:4, doesn't mean "sons of god" either. The Elohiym are the chosen line from Seth.

Here is what the Scofield Reference says concerning Gen 6:2-4 -

 

Why, as a Christian, would you believe aliens were responsible for the rapture when the Bible explains it as from God?

I believe the sons of God in Gen. 6 are angels. Angels can fall as with Lucifer and those that followed him. It was proabably instigated by Satan in order to try and destroy the 'seed' pomises God started with Eve. Gen. 3:15

And the result of this pollution of the human race, proabably played a role in God sending the flood.

But, however you interpret the 'sons of God', they are not aliens, in the sense they are outside Gods creation and somehow invaded the earth. They are part of the human or angelic realm.

Quantrill

 

I don't think we as Christians are told to make a hasty exit from those who don't believe. And depending on the situation, such as a work place, that might be hard to do.

The Christian will always want and be willing to talk about their faith and Jesus Christ. If someone makes it clear they do not want to hear any more of it, then that should be the end of it.

But, I have found that what you call being harangued, is nothing more than the Christian speaking on a given subject viewing it through his faith. In other words, for many, for one to be a Christian harangues them.

Quantrill

 

I hate to point out the obvious, but are you sure YOU are not planted to test the resolve and faith of intelligent extraterrestial life?

 

What is the purpose of this knowledge youve been given? Is it to build on? To acheive perfection? Self awareness?

Is the convictions and contentment of beleivers that leads you this way and the lack of in those that dont? If so, do you find learned Buddhists equally powerful?

Ah yes, Interesting point. Do you think God would ever create a soul who he knows to be worthy of punishment who dies early in their life?

Interesting. Clearly such deserving does not depend on the acheivement of christian teaching then? Indeed God will punish people whatever.

So if one can reach heaven without such christian teaching. And if the punishment is eternal, then also what is the point of either the teaching or when one is hell ever seeking to reform?

Moreover, on what basis would one possibly ever torture someone eternally merely for not following christianity? Isnt that evil? For example, do you punish your child continually for their transgressions?

Do you feel that these un saved will likely deserve their eternal punishment once you attain your knowledge of God? Will you better understand why they would deserve eternal punishment for their sins during one lifetime?


Many thanks

Creation

 

The Bible talks about things that originate on Earth, and things that God created. It is possible that the Bible says that God created everything. Under such conditions the aliens are also God's creations hence in some relationship with God.

It is easy to consider the angels and the demons of the Bible to be actual aliens, like an alien life form that got into contact with us people.

 

Not as easy, though, as considering them non-existent.

 

To know God.

No, the Gospel is powerful because God is behind it. No, I don't find Buddhists powerful at all.

Whether one dies early or late is immaterial. God knows who they are. All are born out of Adam and Eve. Not everyone born of Adam and Eve is of God, thus not everyone born out of Adam and Eve are a creation of God. They are a creation of God in the sense that they are of Adam and Eve who is a creation of God.

None will reach heaven without coming to Jesus Christ, except those infants who God knows are His. For God to punish that which is evil is not evil.

I have no problem understanding now the eternal punishment of those who reject Jesus Christ.

Quantrill

 

Firstly thank you for taking the time to tell me the word of God.

Indeed but why would one want to know God? To what end?

Indeed, because God is behind it. Do you find everything that Gods responsible for powerful?

Indeed so these infants born of adam and eve, despite never having lived a life, are still to be thrown to the enternal fire?

In fact they have been created merely to be punished, is that not so?

Indeed, I wonder what these infants that are not Gods to make of the lake of fire?

Are you saying that some infants are evil? Is this before theyve ever seen the world or committed any sin? Did they perhaps have an evil thought as a foetus?

Do you think people have a chance to accept or reject Jesus even before they discover christianity? When is this chance given?

 

Those who are of God want to know God. God is all powerfull, period.

As I said, when infants die, the decision is God's based on His knowledge of who they are. Infants are not thrown in the fire. Just like old people arn't in heaven. They will be the ideal age like when God created Adam and Eve.

Yes, they have been created to be punished. Just like Lucifer and his angels.

Infants won't be thinking anything because infants won't be there. They will be adults.

The opportunity to come to Jesus Christ is always there.

Quantrill

 

So god punishes infants for sins that they would have commited in life.....So basically, he throws aside free will, and cuts straight to the punishment.

 

No I'm talking about proselytizers whom are told the person isn't interested - and don't listen - starting into the, "but you'll go to hell," crap.

Mat 10:14 But whomsoever doesn't receive you, nor receive/hear your word, you depart out of that home/family or town of them, shaking/raising the dust with your feet!

 

It says ELOHIYM, and they are the chosen line of Seth, according to both Jewish and Christian religious scholars - as I said a few posts back.

Lucifer is not a name of Sa-tan. Nor did Sa-tan fall. That is a misreading of the text.

Pollution of Seth's line with Cain's line.

NOPE! Humans.

 

Actually the sons of god were a group of angels called the Watchers, who god put in charge of watching over humanity. They fell in love with the daughters of mankind and had children by them. This is all in the Book of Enoch. While the Book of Enoch itself is banned, it was commonly accepted to be true by the early chirstiand and hebrews. It was banned only because it contridicts the idea that you can not enter heaven without Jesus. The watchers bring Enoch to heaven in order for him to speak to god on their behalf and try to get them aquited of their sins.

 

I just downloaded this book - (anyone else)

http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/enoch.pdf

I have to read it - but the first thing I noticed was that it says it is a vision.

It also was not accepted by the hebrew.

It is a later text with Genesis being much older - so obviously they got the story from there.

The oldest versions found are not in Hebrew, - so, they could have translated from the originals wrong - and created a story around those errors.

 

If you follow the discussion you will see infants were brought up in the questioning. Thus of course, we are talking about the eternal destiny where the will of the individual can't come into play.

All who are born, are born sinners. No punishment for sins they 'will' committ. They are sinners already.

As I said before, in the case of infants, God's knowledge of who they are is the determining factor, not the 'will'.

Quantrill

 

Well, it is true those who reject Christ will go to hell.

Your confusing the Gospel of the Kingdom with the Gospel of the Church.

Quantrill

 

Yes, I know you said that in a few posts back. But I disagree with what you said.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Quantrill

 

Indeed, they do want to know. But why? Is it because hes so powerful?

How can he know who they are if theyve never lived?

Creating something to punish it, is evil itself. Its the deliberate engineering of suffering. Is it not?

Really? So whos bringing them up? Where do they grow up?

For an infant in the womb?

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Will they have belly buttons?