God works in mysterious ways

You are so driven by anger that you didn't' even address my post. What about the statement "man doesn't know everything and science learns new stuff all the time" is childish?? I have raised 6 kids and I can assure you that name calling and personal attacks are what is childish. Adults debate with civility...Oh well....

 

I haven't created a scapegoat or a crutch to blame inadequacies on. I can't say it is some gods design and plan for my life. Things don't work out because of something I have failed to do.
A god gives you that out.

 

A person who denys everything with no valid reason to do so is not only not wise, but obstinate.

Such people miss out on everything in life that is not gft wrapped and handed to them. Not wise, not fun, and not smart.

 

Agh, so YOU control all the variables do you?

Is that why you were only recently complaining about other people's behavior while ignoring your own? Atheists make this claim, but the lack of identifiable standards and the constant refrain of fault finding indicates quite the opposite - you blame everyone but yourselves for when things fail to happen.

 

I am constantly being accused of being angry. I am not angry at all. I never have mentioned science to explain away a god. I get accused of that too.

I have not name called. It is childish to believe in some unseen unexplained god where there is not one ounce of proof. Think of all the ancient gods that have gone down the road to extinction as knowledge expanded they were no longer viable. There is no reason for belief in this current particular god either. Only fear and inability to deal with the consequences of life drive such a believe. That is what children do.

To compare religious belief to a form of schizophrenia is not name calling either. Both exhibit the same symptoms.

I have not called anyone names. To make those comparisons is perfectly honest debate.

What one shred of evidence has been provide outside of a very suspect book called the bible has anyone provided for proof of a god? What positive prayer result can be absolutely attributed to this god? How many prayers go unanswered? It is foolish and childish to believe in said god.

 

I am denying this god as there is no evidence of it. There is none that has been offered for proof of its reality. Wisdom expects some such evidence, something to show the possibility, that a being who's existence defies every logic, has some potential for existence. There is nothing to even give the idea credence. Nothing whatsoever.

It is unwise to believe in something that lacks all the evidence and even the possibilities of proof. That is not only not intelligent but ignorant.

How would you like people to be jailed for crimes with the type of evidence that a god exists. If that were the case everyone accused would be jailed as a belief in god requires no evidence at all.

 

I control my life. If there exist variables. I blame me regularly. Calling your belief in a god childish is not name calling. That is what it is. When you believe to the extent you do with no evidence it is childish or childlike. I like the way you lump all atheists into a ball as if we are all the same. We are not. The one consistency we have is that we do not believe in something without evidence.

 

Some perfectly civilized and non-insulting posts:

Ignorant, mindless twaddle are we? And apparently, we still cannot read or write and are easily controlled - because YOU, not someone else, says so?

Agh, so WE are required to use science, but not you! You can simply misinterpret our faith entirely to call us insane - which is quite the civilized thing to do.

Yet your utter conviction in the insanity of others, who are clearly not insane, and UTTER inability to support YOUR conclusion with anything other than mindless insults that are clearly at odds with the reality around you is ... civilized?

And atheists take responsibility for their own actions?

 

See above, you never find fault with anything you do. You find plenty with others. YOUR beliefs have no evidence.

In the meantime, our God predicts things like miracles. And when we go look for them:

http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2009/05/scientifically-documented-miracles.html

Oh, but we cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that God is the source of these miracles? Therefore any other random explanation is considered 'science' and validates YOUR beliefs ... that everyone but you is insane and stupid?

That's pretty stupid.

 

When you believe as you say you do with no evidence of any kind and put so much heart and soul into this belief, I it questionable.

What you are saying is that you believe and put faith in something that is as suspect of being real as The Lord of the Rings.

The center controlling aspect of your life is akin believing in gibberish. You have never offered nor can you offer any evidence of this gods reality. The only people that put that much faith into whatever they hear are children. Adults need some evidence. What do you want me to say? It is impossible to take someone seriously when they show no sign of even caring that what they believe has no foundation in reality.

My statements are true. With no proof it is an imaginary friend. Again quoting from an unproven source is mindless twaddle. You are putting faith in a 2000 year old myth. It is mindless myth as well because it has no actual basis in reality.
None of what I have said is name calling. I have never put words in your mouth. What I am saying is the truth. If you are offended by the truth you need to consider what you are putting so much energy in.

 

My beliefs have evidence in the natural world. What I am believing is there is a reason for everything. I see it evidenced in the natural order of the world as it has been and repeats year after year day after day. The order of nature and the things people are capable of work in accord with the natural order. That is evidence. It snows when it is below freezing.
You are believing in a creature that works outside of the natural order and in writings that are 2000 years old that say these same people that wrote did as well. These things do not occur today. That is suspect. They happened at this one moment in time when these very same people were writing and trying to gain power and control. Odd the way that worked for them. You are asking me to believe that this woman Mary had a child without benefit of sexual relations with a human male or human sperm. She just got pregnant. You expect me to believe that this one person fed thousands with a few fish and had left overs. You expect me to believe that this one person in time just happened to turn water into wine. Who has done this since?
It snowed 2000 years ago when it was freezing outside. It still does and happens every year. None of what you are believing in happened outside of this moment in time and you are putting faith into that. It is childish.

By the way your source is as biased as the individuals who wrote the bible and proves nothing without evidence from impartial sources.

 

Then it would stand to reason that there is also a reason to 'believe' in God.

 

there is no evidence of a god so it would be asinine on my part to waste time believe in such twaddle. NO EVIDENCE. NONE

 

I don't blame God for anything. In fact, blaming yourself does you no good unless you do something about it.I don't consider being aware that you screwed your life up "taking responsibility."

Yes, that is true as I believe it. But that "out" that you are talking about isn't just to sit there and play the blame game and do nothing about it. That does NO one any good.

You have a twisted view of my faith.

 

Well, that is not entirely true, and places you in the position of arguing that point with one of your fellow non-theists.

See here: http://www.politicalforum.com/4832817-post508.html

As you can see from that posting and its' quotation from another poster, that other poster (also an admitted non-theist) proudly proclaims that she uses the Bible as PROOF in her causes. Therefore, the Bible is 'evidence of' God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, miracles, and all sorts of other nice little things that baffles science.

 

I didn't use the word blame. I didn't say I screwed up my life. I said that if something did go wrong I assume my responsibility. That is very different. You never use the term gods will. Okay I don't believe that but if you say so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
You keep using the word blame I never used that word. blame and responsibility are very different.
A person who believes in an unseen being with no proof of it's existence is telling me, my view is twisted. I think you have that wrong.

 

Not entirely true? Well shoe me this non-biblical evidence you have for said existence. If the other poster believes the bible they are not atheist. Therefore that is not evidence. I have never yet to use the term science in any of my debate but people keep tossing it my way as I had. Sorry I don't do the science argument. So don't toss that word at me.

 

You said "I haven't created a scapegoat or a crutch to blame inadequacies on," implying that I do.

I said Your view of MY faith is twisted,yes.

 

Who said anything about 'non-biblical evidence'. The evidence spoken of by that other poster was (in part) "the Bible itself".

Whether or not that other poster is an 'Atheist', I will not comment other than to say that I identified that other poster as a "non-theist". So make all the presumptions you want and then try to use those presumptions as rationalizations (excuses) for whatever purpose you desire.... however.... the record speaks for itself. Sure it is evidence. The other person has made a public declaration of that posters status as a non-theist, and that poster attests to the FACT that the poster uses the Bible as PROOF for that posters claims. It is in FACT evidence.

 

Implying that many people who share your faith in nothing use the term gods will which you did not say that you didn't. So the ball is in your court.

Yes you did say my faith. But the answer still remains the same. A person believing in an unproven entity boggles the mind. So no it's not twisted at all I am questioning the rational behind someone putting so much into a nothing concept.

 

It is evidence of nothing show proof of any one of the spectacular events attributed to Jesus outside of there being bible sourced. That proves nothing. The hear say of someone posting is meaningless as well. I don't care what they have to say about said bible. They can reference it all they want. It is meaningless drivel and has no room in any sort of debate as it is unproven mysticism.

 

Ya know, you are barking up the wrong tree with me... I only made the announcement of that other posters claim. So if you have a problem with that claim, then you need to take it up with the claimant. I have shown the evidence of where a non-theist declared that the Bible is Proof. Either refute that which is my portion of a public service announcement, or call upon that other poster to press your concerns.

Now, at the underlined text above. You really need to stay focused on what is happening here. There is no 'hear say' being presented. Had I stated that the other poster said this or that and did not show where and when the other poster made that statement, then it could be considered 'hear say': BUT when I do show when and where the statement was made, and it is verified at that source which I provided, then it is not 'hear say'. The statement was in FACT made. Learn how to use terminology in its correct manner (hear say being a legal term, then use it in the manner prescribed in Law).

As to your concerns about it being "meaningless drivel and has no room in any sort of debate as it is unproven mysticism.", then as I stated before, take it up with the author who made the claim that the she was using the Bible as PROOF. This way, you can argue with another non-theist on that matter. Have fun with that though, considering that non-theists do not share a unified philosophy. But if you can convince that other poster regarding what you see as an error, then it can be said that there is a unified philosophy... where at least two people believe in the same philosophical principle.

 

The term "God's will" doesn't absolve me of my personal responsibility so it isn't even applicable to me.

If you are just curious if I have 'EVER' parroted the term "God's will" before, I probably have but generally don't. I believe in predetermination and awareness. God is a hope for me, not an excuse.

...and I'm questioning how you think you accept personal responsibility any more than I do ?

I did not jump in when I did to appease your curiosity or relieve you of your boggled mind.

 

You brought up the other poster I did not. You obviously saw some meaning in that persons words to state a case. I called it meaningless hear say drivel. Which I believe it is.
You placed the value on that post not me. So don't tell me to bring it up to them. I have no reason to even post to that person. I would not even know that post existed unless it was brought to my attention by you who have given it value.
So think before you jump on me when in fact you played this as some card of importance.

 

If in fact this is your belief and the way you accept this god we look at life in a similar way and obviously you do not fit the pattern of many others. Thanks for taking the time to explain.