Growing dictatorship in Ukraine...

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  1. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    I bet they do not allow cookies for Sasquatch in Ukraine or Russia. Bastards!
     
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    He only banned political parties that are loyal to Russia. However, in the link of other political parties, there is a plethora of parties. Hence, the premise of the OP is false. .
     
  3. Starcastle

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    Bullcrap. Plethora of parties? That have no power or following? He banned the largest parties in the country that are opposed to him!

    Loyal to Russia according to who? Oh him. So Biden can ban republicans and libertarians under the guise they support Russia but if he leaves the greens alone he is ok? He's a lover of freedom! He did leave the Nazis alone.

    When I say ban that means they are arresting people. Zelensky also has banned any media that does not love him. Of course you will defend him.
     
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    Epic Freudian slip! 1584414800.0994-smiley.gif
     
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    The Ukrainian governmenmt has not outlawed all oppositional parties, they banned eleven pro-Russian parties.
    There are currently seven parties in the Ukrainian parliament and more than sixty political parties all together. The ones now banned have close ties with Moscow and only two of them won a few seats in the last election, the others are splinter parties who do not even have one seat in parliamant. The claim "outlawed all oppositional parties" is highly incorrect.
     
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    He outlawed the largest opposition party and any media that might have reason to not kiss his ass. He did not just ban 1 or 2 rogue parties.

    It's like Biden banning the republican party and you saying it's ok because he left the legalize peyote party alone.
     
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    That is how Bush pronounced terror. WTF are you talking about?
     
  8. Starcastle

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    So Biden in the interest of public health and fighting Omnicron and stopping Russian disinformation can just ban republicans, Foxnews, NY Post, Washington times, Newsmax, OAN and then arrest 25 radio talk show hosts.

    He left Don Lemon alone! Free speech!
     
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    I clearly stated that he banned eleven pro-Russian parties, so this "not just ban 1 or 2 rogue parties" is meaningless.
     
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    I should think it is to try to stop pro-Russian misinformation and propaganda.

    It really is quite naive to think all your freedoms will remain intact during a war that threatens your very existence as a free state.
     
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    Pro Russian according to who? Him! Of course we live in a country where a Lt colonel in the US army was called treasonous by a draft dodging republican senator and the left applauded.
     
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    None of this changes the fact if illegal and immoral invasion, destruction and murder by Putin. Even if both sides have governments one does not like, simply invading other nations is wrong.no matter who does it; Saddam Hussein, George Bush or V. Putin.
     
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    Of course and that is why any dictator destroys freedom right? For the good of the people!

    They would like to do that here. They are trying.
     
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    Who said the Russian invasion was ok? Why are we getting the kindergarten lecture about that?

    Of course the idiot neocons here talk as if Ukraine is Ohio.
     
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    No. That is not what I meant.
    During WW2 the freedoms the west were fighting to retain were temporarily suspended in any cases, including freedom of speech and assembly.
    Because allowing the normal freedoms would have opened the door to the enemy misuse of them.
    I can tell your experience of a real war at home is a tad limited.
     
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    It's also a great excuse to destroy liberty. No I did not live in Europe in WW2. Did you?

    All I know is that way too many people in the west on threads like these think that government oppression and authoritarianism is perfectly fine and defend it at every turn.
     
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    Of course according to him. The country is under martial law because there is a full scale ground war going on. The topic is Ukraine and incorrect claims in the op, not who applauds whom and calls whom this or that in the US.
     
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    You didn't have to live in Europe in WW2 to have read about the things the people who did, had to give up.
    and the willingness to do so in order to protect them.
    They were like fine art...you put them away safely so that you can bring them out and enjoy them undamaged in the future.
    You live in a world which has never known bombs dropping onto your house, everything you have is destroyed, investments, insurances etc become meaningless. That if you lose the war you have literally no chance of getting them back and in fact you may well be executed.
    The pictures you see on TV about Syria, Ukraine etc are NOT some war movie. Places stink, people stink, bodies lie in the street, often body parts, there are few if any toilets, and no privacy, beds are on the floor if you can find space, children are screaming and everyone is terrified that the roof will be blown offn and the place destroyed.
    And you worry about freedom of speech.
    Get real.
     
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    SIAP (or experienced). There's gonna be a shitload of propaganda coming your way.
     
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  20. Starcastle

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    You said I have obviously not lived in a war zone. You are correct.

    Why don't you libos ever defend liberty? You bend over backwards to defend authoritarianism like mandates. Never do you people fight for liberty and freedom. Why?
     
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    Yes according to him so why do you automatically assume these are pro Russian?
     
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    Oh, I thought we had slipped into a 70's SF story for a minute. I was hoping for Ted Nomura and some Hot Nazis.
     
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    Why do you claim he outlawed all political opposition when that's clearly false?
     
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    So we have people who know little about the Ukrainian system or how much power Zelensky has applauding him destroying any political opposition because it must pro Russian according to him.

    You cannot say that you are bothered by these developments and would like to learn more. Just defend him him and move on.

    If the USA is attacked militarily do we automatically revert to the president is dictator mode? Congress no longer needs to declare war? The supreme court no longer matters?
     
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    He outlawed the largest opposition party and any opposition media. I'm sure he is not done.
     

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