How to best deal with North Korea

There are no other markets in the short term. In the short term, there is massive depression.

 

Let's not give up on China deciding to stop NK via oil and fuel imports, they may surprise us. They are incredibly smart. I agree we will not try and force China to do anything. It's silly to suggest. Their last official response to NKs last missile launch I'm hoping was just an initial reaction.

But force or try and force China? Economically? Haha. Who would make our American flags? 98% are made in China.

 

Then you don't know the US very well. Yes I think we will go for KJU but via a missile? Or even 50? Highly ineffectual. Unless in a vehicle or outside we couldnt risk it. Bombs. Big ones.

Where are you getting this rubbish about our taking action ending treaties? It's why I almost don't even respond to your posts. It's stupid to suggest. Japan is practically begging us to do something. The entire country is terrified KJU is going to nuke or gas them. SK has already been prepared for the possibility and Taiwan could care less.

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN17Q0U6

 

We have not tried war

Since 1990 everything else has been tried as you correctly point out

War has always been a last resort

now it is the only option left since putting the US under threat of nuclear attack from north korea is not acceptable

 

China is not our friend

At best they are a rival and at worst our enemy

If we put enough pressure on them they may think its in their best intersts to get rid of kim, which may be the only way to make north korea end its nucler program

 

The ONLY existing reality based tactic remaining for NK involves risks to the South that must be considered. The least destructive and most logical move would be covert assassination of Lil' Kimmy. The risk comes from whoever takes his place and whether the "Warning" set forth prevents retaliation. If action is taken beforehand to explain and involve China, they obviously have ties and relationships with everyone who might step in as the new leader of NK and could work to stabilize from within which they should be delighted to do as it maintains the split Korea they want.

 

I agree they aren't our friend China's only friend is China. I just don't think they will act in any meaningful way from economic pressures. I think if they do decide to stop oil imports to NK it with be because they are worried about a unified Korea. I also think they feel like they can prevent that even if we attack NK so. Not looking good for them to help. They might.

 

antagonize china is not gonna force them to do more, consider if china antagonize US, are we gonna listen to them? both are big countries, no one can just bent down to the others.

 

The problem is China and US see each other as competitor, and US see china as rising threat, in this case, its not suprsing they wont help us, unless they have something to gain.

 

Yes, they are not your friend and they are in many things your rival, but also major important business partner.

Simple Question to you... would you accept any pressure on the USA in reverse, when one of your major important allies as for example Saudi Arabia is accused for bad things by others ... let us say for the crimes of them in Yemen?

 

And you don't ask someone to help in one issue to get something solved (North Korea), but then you piss them in another issue on the leg (Island dispute).

 

Number (1) would be closest to it, but it would hurt you nonetheless. I suggest you get a deal with the Chineses, pack out of SK and leave them responsabilities for NK, for some trade niceties in return. From there, any aggression on the US by NK would be considered an act condoned by China, so it won't happen.

That way, you leave the rest of the world out of it. China's hegemony in the region is a natural, inevitable thing, and not necessarly a bad one. Leave them the problem.

 

We tried war in the 1950's. It failed.
Millions were killed to no avail. And that was America and Britain at it's military peak historically.
You didn't do so well in neighbouring Vietnam either. For that matter.
All power has it's limitations.

You have tried war. It's the very first thing you tried.

 

Israel is the comparison I make.
America will give up Isreal? Not very likely. Many yanks don't like Israel but too many do.

 

China is using economic pressure on South Korea

Their trate relationship to the US is more dependent than South Korea is on them

No single lever may be enough but a trade war with America hurts them more than it hurts us

 

War succeeded in 1950-53

South Korea is free today thanks to war

Otherwise north korea would have overrun the south

 

Indeed, a good comparison too in many examples

 

War failed. The goal was to place Korea under southern (friendly) Rule. To get rid of the Northern regime.
Northern regime is still there. By the end of the war, the borders had returned to where they were at the beginning of the war and the Northern regime is still in power to this day.

Millions died and nothing at all has changed politically.

 

After North Korea started the Korean War we pushed deep into the north to unify Korea.

That is true

But only after the communists started the hostilities

So the original goal of saving the south succeeded even if we were unable to solve the problem long term

 

"Who started it" really makes little difference. The point I am making is that both your lot and my lot combined, were unable to finish it.
We have tried war. That did happen. And we weren't pissing around either.
It was total war. WMD's and ****. Wiping out enemies by the million. Ethnic cleansing. Levelling cities. That sort of war.
Not polite little wars for CNN like nowadays.

Before China will be ready for a trade war with anyone, it will need to rebalance it's economy away from being export led.
It is well in the process of doing so.
Military preparations are on going. Trade routes are being fortified. They aren't there yet economically, but they are there militarily. They do have the gear to blockade pacific trade.

However, so does America. And I don't think China can do without the trade currently. That is my best guess.

 

Correct and pure fact!

North Korea attacked as we all know and the SK forces + US forces in Pusan perimeter were short before annulation. Then came the counter attack and this attack didn't stop at border line but went further to the NK - Chinese border! and then came the Chinese counter attack and at least was a more modern version of WW-1 trench war given at border of today and before until cease fire was agreed.
So who won at least? NK failed with their reunification by force as the US did after it with their reunification by force too!

 

China has unlimited potential

But it also has ambitions to be the most powerful country on the planet

That makes china not only a threat to America but every other free country in the world

 

MacAuthur underestimated China and almost lost the war as a result

But the UN did not start the war.

The communists were the aggressors and the instigators of the war

 

If you say so.
I'm going to suggest to you, that the other side is most likely to see things differently.
Personally I only care about who finishes a fight. Who started it? playground chat.

 

America has the same ambition. Does that make America a threat to every other country in the free world too?
The EU shares the same ambition. So does Russia.
My country used to share it too.

No biggie. You will find that when you are no longer the most powerful nation in the world... life goes on just the same.