How to best deal with North Korea

I don't care how the other side sees it

The historical facts are on my side

 

If you read history books you own side wrote it is.
No promises on if you read a Chinese history book however. Let alone a North Korean one.

Histories have an awkward habit of differing.

I expect that neither the South nor the North recognised each other.
So for the north you invaded in an unprovoked way and they tried to kick you out of their country. Their country is not "North Korea", it is Korea.

And for the south too. Their country is not South Korea it is Korea.

The demarcation of Korea into North and South Korea occurred in that war.

 

America for all our faults is a more democratic and humanistic nation than communist china

Being under their economic, political and military thumb will be worse for the world than what we have been

 

I'm not responsible for the lies told in communist nations

My understanding of history is what guides me not leftwing fantasies

 

not sure about that, china is competitor to us, mainly because we are #1 and they are #2, interest collide. for other countries it depends, consider German more friendly toward china than they did with US right now. remember china has been a superpower since ancient time, during tang 900AD to 1600AD, during ming dynasty they have one of largest navy in the world with over 1000+ ships, sail all the way to Africa.

 

I don't think it's a left wing/right wing issue.

History teaches us to study both sides.
You have your story they have theirs. You are simply in dispute with each other for dominion over a territory.
Both sides are able to justify their own positions otherwise they wouldn't be there. Truth, fact, god and justice, all on your enemies side too. As per always.

 

China has a long and impressive history

But it is a history of imperialism and mistreatment of individuals and other nations

So they can be a panda bear when weak or a hungry tiger bad when they are strong

 

If you study both sides with an open mind you will find that the communists started the Korean War and has been responsible for the tension there ever since

 

I agree, but I will also find that the US started the Korean war and has been responsible for the tension ever since.

The truth? Japan started it.
All that has come to pass in Korea stems from WW2.

Korea's liberation from Japan was simultaneous. America from the South, Russia from the North.
There after all that occoured was the Cold war.

 

What is all this complaining about? N. Korea does not have nuclear weapons. President Bill Clinton gave N. Korea a pile of money in exchange for N. Korea's promise to not pursue nuclear weapons assuring Americans the threat had been ended. Accordingly, N. Korea doesn't have nuclear weapons - just like Iran will never have nuclear weapons in exchange for President Obama giving them $150 billion.

 

Japan did not start the Korean war and neither did the US or the United Nations

The communist dictator in North Korea invaded the South and tried to take over by force

 

Some guys tried to take over Korea, and failed.
Two rival factions for leadership.
North and South Korea, were just "Korea". at that time. No Korean invaded anywhere. They all lived there already.

The invaders were us. The Russians. And then later on, the Chinese.

The Russians set up a government in liberated Korea, and then we set up a completely different government in liberated Korea.
The Cold War had begun.

 

or Option 7 Start working more intensively on a missile defense system that can not only shoot them down with accuracy and mass produce them ASAP but also more importantly work on cyber tactics that can fizz them out causing them to fail even before they lift off.

The future of warfare will come from cyber technology. I'm guessing America has a program that trains or gives away college scholarships to all those who have a serious knack for technology particularly hacking and if so, they really need to up the ante and make sure all who are good get in and they're paid very well. Guaranteed the Middle East, China, and Russia are all doing that.

 

One option I haven't heard anywhere else, but I thought I'd throw it out there...

My dad seems to think that North Korea just wants to sign a peace treaty but the USA won't allow it. The USA is going on and on showing off its strength and so NK feels like they have to prepare for war to defend themselves.

 

I agree that America won't sign it. For them Korea is unfinished business.

Whether or not the North will sign it either? Not confident.

Certainly NK feels rightly threatened and have made prepartaions to defend themselves. And I feel that threat level is so high that it has been the defining motive of that nation. It's core unity.

The big question is this.
If you leave Korea alone, will North Korea invade South Korea?

And hmm, I think they may well.

 

NK is outgunned by SK by several order, all the NK has is outdated 60s tech, they can do a lot damage to SK but SK will win in the end due to better tech/training.

 

look at history of China, how many country did they invade compare to british/spain/other European empire. they mostly keep to them self.

 

NK has a nuke. SK has a city.
What price your victory to them?

How much damage are you willing for SK to take?
What amount of South Korean loses are acceptable to you?

What amount of SK losses are acceptable to them.

It's easy to get someone else killed for your ambitions. Right now, SK are politically more likely to kick America out of Korea than to attack the North.

 

The moment the US leaves SK is the last day SK will remain a country. North Korea will invade one hour after the US forces leave.

 

I agree. I think the NK just want to be left alone. Every year SK and the US demonstrate their military power which can be viewed from the beaches of NK. The US constantly sends out propaganda about how terrible the NK regime is and threats. What business does anyone have with how NK is run. Some state that it is terrible that the population is starving - it's hardly surprising given the sanctions which if lifted they would be able to function as a normal country.

 

China was itself many countries. The last country it invaded was Vietnam, before that Korea.
But also Tibet. Ghengis Khan did a lot of invading. Very famous for it.

China has ongoing territorial disputes currently with , Phillipines, Taiwan, Vietnam and Japan.

 

I think this is very possible.

The minute we left Hong Kong, China invaded.
But an invasion can easily be a reunification if no one gives battle.

Germany reunified. China reunified. It can happen peacefully. There is precedent.
and this belief holds a lot of political sway in South Korea. Right now it could even be the dominant political thinking in that country.

 

NK believes we are still at war since we never signed a treaty. If we left, it's open season for them.

 

I think there is something of a difference between a "war according to some words on a piece of paper" and a war.

 

Option #4 has not worked especially well; and particularly now that Little Kim can apparently reach the US mainland with his missiles--and has no apparent compunction to be restrained.

Option #5 is a non-starter--and, presumably, is just thrown in there to be incendiary.

And Option #6 is precisely what China has been desiring for decades: a total de-coupling of the US from South Korea, and our withdrawal from the Pacific Rim.

As for the other options, I do not believe that it would amount to "austerity" to say that Americans must not attempt to live beyond their means.

And you are the first person I have found to assert that we are incapable of shooting down a North Korean missile in its test phase.

Moreover, just how do you know, exactly, that Japan would not accept nuclear weapons if the US pressured it to do so?