Is Evolution Real? Please read MOD WARNING

Then maybe you can explain creation. Please do.

 

If you need someone on PF to explain evolution and the first biogenesis to you because you cannot figure out how to research a topic; then I can only advise that you should have stayed in school. Because researching a topic is covered as early as elementary school. That's what book reports were for. And to be clear - I am not dodging trying to educate you - I don't think you intelligent enough to move quickly through a topic based on the absolute simplicity of your question. I don't have months and years to spend teaching you biology, physics, observation and scientific method, etc. And if you respond saying you actually do have the IQ to do research and study a topic, then your question would serve to prove you were trolling and you would still be a waste of my time.

 

To be clear - it's a total dodge. The point is this, no matter how you think life started, your theory is magical and unprovable. Primordial soup sounds like a wizard's potion. Your theory of creation is as fanciful as any in religion. No one knows how life started so any amount of study would be a waste of time. It also implies that life is an accident. A waste of time? Then why did you waste further time repling to the post?

 

That would take my brother and uncle out of the work force too. LOL But it's for the greater good!!

 

Yes indeed, evolution is real, and not only does life evolve, but so does the universe, in its way. But it isn't chance, luck, randomness as the materialists believe, but is driven by an intelligence outside of the physical real.

As Tom Campbell the physicist has written about in My Big Toe, the material universe manifests forth as a virtual reality from big C Consciousness, and that is involved in evolution of the material universe. So, it's not what the current materialistic biologists think it is, based purely in materialism, for materialism is just wrong, a wrong assumption.

But this Consciousness doesn't look like an old man acting like a petulant spoiled brat, so religion will have to modernize if they want to claim it.

 

That's what you want to run with? Your invisible skydaddy being every bit as viable as the fossil record, cambrian radiation and the appearance of present phyla, and continued scientific observation of evolution? New species appear on this planet all the time. You wanna run with "Jesus put that there"? Here are two simple questions for you:
1) How did every living thing get to Noah's boat? Penguins from Antarctica. Polar Bears from Alaska. Gators from Florida. Animals that never walked 10 miles suddenly hiked 5,000 miles and swam across oceans to get to this guy's boat?
2) After Noah's boat landed, how did kangaroos walk and swim all the way to Australia and pick up the bones of every kangaroo that died along the way (without opposable thumbs, mind you) just so their bones wouldn't accidentally find their way into the fossil record?

If you can bullsh*t your way through those way too simple questions, and show even a small semblance of brain power, we can talk about vapor canopies and deluvial flood geology some time in the future.

 

I never said there was a sky daddy, what ever that is. I don't believe, nor did I ever say I did, in Noah, unless there were aliens collecting DNA, you could store all there is in a large refrigerator and never have to feed or clean up after them. A very neat theory. I never mentioned Jesus either. I'm not a Christian or a deist. You sure did read alot into my posts that wasn't there. All you can do is mouth immature playground name calling.

 

I know that. They don't know seem to know that.

 

He means the guys who do not see that the geneaology in Gen 4 and Gen 5 are 22 names which our scientists today call the species leading to modern man.

 

He probably doesn't realize that the Bile genealogy is actually just what our paleontologists say today:

Chapters 4, 5, and 10 explain the correspondences of the Genealogy with the species of Paleontology:

 

Of course you can not actually define "consciousness" for us nor tell us more that it is awareness, which is just playing with words, though.

There is no reason to assume something was conscious for us, since our own consciousness is just a State-of-Fear much extended and exaggerated from what it was millennia ago.
All we KNOW is that some "force" is working the changes to the environment constantly as Reality unfolds more and more over time.

 

No they don't.

 

King James Bible

And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:13

Why are you rewriting the story?

 

Two passages state that God made everything "in six days."

Exodus 20:11 -- For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17 -- It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.

Here is a list of the passages:

Exodus 20:11 -- For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17 -- 'It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.'"

2 Chronicles 29:17 -- Now they began to sanctify on the first day of the first month, and on the eighth day of the month they came to the vestibule of the LORD. Then they sanctified the house of the LORD in eight days, and on the sixteenth day of the first month they finished.

Nehemiah 6:15 -- So the wall was finished on the twenty-fifth day of Elul, in fifty-two days.

Matthew 26:61 -- and said, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.'"

Matthew 27:40 -- and saying, "You who destroy the temple and build it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross."

Mark 15:29 -- And those who passed by blasphemed Him, wagging their heads and saying, "Aha! You who destroy the temple and build it in three days,

John 2:19 -- Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

John 2:20 -- Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"

Acts 20:6 -- But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days.

 

You have to understand people's motivations. For those who convince themselves of ancient fairy tales based on creation myths, well, evolution simply can't be true, so they ignore the evidence and force their thinking along the path their religious ideology demands.

Cause, you know, eternal life and stuff.

 

Well, the Bible is pretty clear on what constitutes a "Day".

 

That idea is from the book 2001 A Space Odyssey.

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Apparently he was easily amused by the graphics.

 

My take is intelligent design doctrine is adherence to mythological worship of non existent super natural beings trying to explain away science in a desperate attempt to remain relevant.

There is no evidence for intelligent design. It is, in my wise and generally correct opinion, simply ramblings of folks who reject science.

 

I liked that movie, I have it on VHS tape. But it has been years since I last watched it.

 

I was just cleaning out my man cave last weekend and am seriously pondering tossing out my VHS player. Did you read the book? It had a lot more in it about the aliens than the 2 hour movie did.

 

* Sort of correct. There were some folks that used ID as a tool to point to a Davidian God/Jesus. Lee Strobel worked that angle like a hooker works a $20 up-sell for anal. But in it's purest form, ID isn't a Jesus ploy. Irreducible complexity, Sir Hoyle and his odds for existence, etc. And of course the analogy about the hurricane and the 747 was pretty priceless.

 

No, I never read the book. A couple of years ago I found VCR's on sale for 50 dollars a piece and bought 6 of them. I have quite the VCR tape collection and now I know I will always be able to watch them.

Now I watch the show "Ancient Aliens" on the history channel last week. It piqued my interest and I have watched several more this week. Quite a lot of it, I take with a grain of salt. But they do get one to thinking. It is possible especially when they refer to the Mahabharata from India which I was quite familiar with being stationed in Southeast Asia for 10 years.

 

Come on now. You get one of three major choices or you can make something up that's even more bizarre like universes being holograms or some sh*t.
1) Big bang, inflation, galaxies / stars form, eventually they supernova and the material is consumed to make more stars with more complex atoms. Eventually after four or five billion years, there was solar matter capable of forming the first simple proteins on planets in the terran distance range of suns in these younger galaxies. Poof - life starts forming in our universe. We are the lucky ones on one of those types of planets.
2) God made the universe in 6 days and then rested. As per the bible, that went down 6,500 years ago. Some fideists are back-pedaling and kind of conceding big bang and an old universe and trying to somehow align that with their biblical stories.
3) Maybe some weird interesting story about aliens that are a level 5 civilization (per the extended kardashev scale) and they can create universes using energy from their universe, and so they seed the new universe with the building blocks of life after a few billion years (talk about patience being a virtue)

 

Where were you stationed? I did a stint at Clark Air Force Base. That was a learning experience! Never saw a Kathoey before. I have tons of tapes. I should really convert them to digital; but who has the time? I have some Dead shows, a bunch of movies, and some video of the kids. My first camera was this 10 lb monster from Realistic that recorded home video onto that half inch tape.

 

It was a long time ago, 1967-69 Thailand, 69-71 Laos, 71-73 Vietnam, 73-76 back in Thailand. Katoeys, I seen a bunch in both Thailand and Laos. Now in Thailand they have Miss Katoey contests.




I am not going to bother going digital with the tapes. Although I might one day do my Doctor Who collection or pass them on to my youngest daughter who is a big Doctor Who fan. I have all the movies of Doctors 3,4,5,6, and some of 7.