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Most of the Bible was written during the Babylonian exile and the stories were borrowed from Babylonian mythology as well as Egyptian stories and tales from Ugarit..

Exodus is compiled of two different Egyptian accounts about the expulsion of the Lepers and the expulsion of the Hyksos.

The whole purpose of the Pentateuche a history and identity for the Jews... who were nothing more than another Canaanite tribe.

They also borrowed liberally from the Hammurabi Code and the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

 

To formulate probability requires a usable data set....which is simply not there.

 

4) Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, (with what is now called the Big Bang), "God," (the Theistic Singular Absolute Energy which had pre-existed the material Universe), created (in the Einstienian energy transformation, E = mC^2), the (matter composing the) heaven and the earth.

Gen. 1:2 And the earth, (whose matter had been created at the Big Bang moment), was without form, (a spinning cloud of rocks, dust and gases) and void (of spherical shape, but an accretion disk), and darkness was upon the face of the deep (disk of rotating rocks).
And (the great Shechinah), the spirit, (the panentheistic or Natural Laws) of God, (i,e,; The First Cause), moved upon the face of the waters, ( i.e.; spinning molten rocks).

 

True, but considering the lack of conclusive evidence to the contrary one must admit that the possibility does exist until it no longer does.

Therefore, no one can say God does not exist.

 

What's funny is watching Christians such as Dave pull things out of their ass to rationalize the contradictions and proven falsehoods of the bible. He constantly fabricates biblical quotes and inserts meaning where there is none.

It's quite amazing to see.

 

This is a perfect example

 

I don't think that cupid is writing the inserts.. I think that's a cut and paste.

 

But what rational people understand is that for your make believe sky fairies holy book to have ANY incorrect information in it then it casts doubt on the whole "word of God" thingy.

 

The majority of the bible is demonstrably incorrect.

 

No one here is stating it does not....this thread involves evolution and creation. You could stste that God exists abd created mankind, yet this does not in any way remove the data for evolution.

 

True. To believe in some primordial soup to explain creation, as if it was some sort of confluence of elements, in the right proportions under ideal conditions, requires as much a leap of faith as the belief in God IMO. Some believe that life was some kind of serendipitous accident but when asked if they believe there's life on other planets, and there have been micro-organisms found in meteors, the majority of them will say yes there must be life on other planets. So not only did life form spontaneously out of a few chemicals and elements on this planet, we are to believe that the same happy accident has occurred on other planets. It's difficult for me to believe that we are alone in the universe, so perhaps life was created at the time of the big bang and spewed across the cosmos, like seeds. In any case I think it's foolish to try and dissuade anyone of their beliefs. I'm neither a Christian(raised Catholic) nor a Deist but I've experienced numerous paranormal incidents, including a full body visit from my deceased wife, to know there's more to come after we pass. I don't pretend to know how life was created, nor does anyone else. The true nature of reality cannot be known.

 

Smallest details?

The entire basis of Christo-mythology begins with unprovable and anti factual statements such as the myth that all of the heavens with it's beings were created in 6 days.

It gets less credible from there.

 

But "all of the heavens " were created in a split second we call the Big Bang? The basis for the BB is the expanding universe. That the universe is expanding proves nothing. It's theory. I don't disbelieve it but as so many are fond of saying - prove it.

 

Does it matter?

The book of Genesis was probably written by Moses around 1500 BC, describing events that occurred around 3,000 BC. It cites nothing other than cult worship as the basis for it's myths. Now it you are going to accept that as the basis of creating the universe as we know it and discount scientific evidence that indicates otherwise, then your argument is throwing facts away and embracing ancient Judeo mysticism rather than science.

Now that is fine. I don't expect Christians to eschew their beliefs in favor of facts and reality, but don't try to equate the ramblings of ancient goat herders as existing as intellectual peers to demonstrable scientific facts.

 

Moses didn't write the Pentateuch ... It was written 800 years after his death by many different authors.

 

I am at least skeptical of many of the claims made by evolutionists, but broadly speaking I am not skeptical. Quite simply put even with its flaws, it is by far the most sound theory to explain human origins.

 

Nearly invariably such criticisms hinge on misinterpretations of the Bible by non-believers, or at least rejecting the interpretations accepted by believers. There is this weird paradox where the vast majority of Christianity rejects the views of fundamentalist Christians, but non-believers act as if the fundamentalist interpretation is the only possible valid way to interpret the Bible.

Quite simply put: the Bible's description of creation should not be taken literally. Even when you stop to think about it, understanding a "day" as what we understand it to be is just silly when reading Genesis. In Bible translations that use six days, it wasn't until the 4th day that day and night were made on the earth.

 

Not really. I think my assessment was accurate.

The Judeo Christian myth starts with a fable that all of the heavens and it's beings were created in 6 days. Right or wrong?


Right, of course.

Now the current crop of Christ-cultists have altered that debunked bit of nonsense to state that despite over 3,000 years of that fable being taken literally, it is now allegorical, right or wrong?

Right, of course.

So your allegorical story was once anecdotal, correct? Why do you think anyone woudl be so profoundly and completely stupid as to believe that 3,500 years ago your book of fables was written so that for the first 3,400 years it was to be taken literally, then when science disproves the, well, I will be kind and call it a hypothesis, of divine creation folks should now take it as an allegory?

I understand he need that Christain have to desperately cling to their myths, but don't insult my intelligence by trying to update your cult worship to rival science.

 

And tell me, if the first day in the Bible came and went without "day and night", then how long was the first day?

 

Actually ... in Genesis 1:5 it says:

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

 

Beats me, it is your silly myth. Were they special days? Or is this the ol "well, one of my gods days may be a billion jillion years therefore I believe what some goat herd re allegedly said some 3500 years ago" arguments?

See, this is the issue with your "religion". Folks are so desperate to perpetuate it they resort to arguments like yours, desperate trying to cram a cult adherence into the narrow bandwidth of science. it is ridiculous. Moses did not write Genesis with the understanding that the first day meant a billion years, and the second 24 hours. That is man made, modern creation for folks to try and convince themselves they are not believing is stupid fairy tales.

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And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So, like I said, while light and darkness were created they were not separated to be what we understand to be "day and night" until well after the first day. Because while it says there was light and darkness, day and night, it does not say that that light was upon the earth until the 4th day - and, quite clearly, since we measure a day by the light, the "day" period which is referred to in no way needs to be a 24hr period, nor is there any reason to think it is.

 

Gen 1:3-5 actually tells us another amazing thing about that scientifically did happen.
We only recently discover this, but, in fact, the was a Cosmic Dark Age that lasted from the Big Bang until stars formed about 400 million years later:



Gen. 1:3 And (as the universe goes transparent, Father Nature, Reality), "God," said, Let there be light: and there was light (which then decoupled from matter with the formation of atoms).

Gen. 1:4 And (Father Nature, Reality), God, saw the light, that it was good: and (Father Nature, Reality), "God," divided the light from the darkness (as the stars formed and the Dark Age of 399.6 million years ended).

Gen. 1:5 And (Father Nature, Reality), God, called the LIGHT day and the darkness he called Night. And the evening (of the Formative Era) and the morning (of the Hadean Era) were the first "day": [yowm, in the Hebrew = duration]

 

It was 9 Billion years long before the Solar Clock on the Earth was designated in Gen 1:14.

 

If we want to make sense of the Bible, we need to compare what it says to the actual science which today we know is true.

What we read seems to fit very well with what actually seems to have taken place:

Gen 1:1 says a Big Bang beginning did happen.

Gen 1:2 says the formless disk of rocks rotation the Sun was void of global shape, which was true.

Gen 1:3-5 says the Dark Cosmic Age existed before there was any light in the Universe.

Gen 1:6-8 describes the forming of an atmosphere above and waters below.

Gen 1:9-10 describes "all the waters under heaven gathered together into one place," which was a Pangea-like truth.

Gen 1:11-13 explains that the Plant Kingdom came before the Animal Kingdom, which was true.

Gen 1:14-19 tells us that God assigned the Sun and Moon and Stars to keep time on Earth. ("made" in Hebrew means "assigned.")

Gen 1:20-31 explains about the animals diversifying into herds of mamals, and finally, man, made to image "Reality," mentally, in the form of Truth inside his mind.