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Is Evolution Real

  1. Evolution is real

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  2. Evolution is real on the micro level only

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  3. Intelligent design is real.

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  1. Tuniwalrus

    Tuniwalrus Banned

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    You old fart! I enlisted 3 years after you left Thailand. I was actually just out in North Luzon in 2009 for a few months. The more things change, the more they stay the same when it comes to Angeles City! Kathoeys have bigger boobs now. So that's an improvement. ;-)
     
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    LOL, that seems to be the nature of the game. Hey, I have many a fond memory.
     
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    Tuniwalrus Banned

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    Since my wife isn't looking over my shoulder I would like to say I have some rather amazingly fond memories too. ;-)
     
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    Intelligent design is an ontological argument, and just a repackaged beauty can only be created by a creator argument and has not plac e in science.

    Because it is something you c an not test.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why not donate the VHS player? I'm sure a thrift store could find it a new home.
     
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    Tuniwalrus Banned

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    I actually take the stuff I toss and bring it down to Goodwill dropoff box. I'm sure they think I am weird. I drop off really strange stuff sometimes. A few months ago it was a 64" rear projection Mitsubishi and a pasta maker. LOL
     
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    Here is the true conundrum of religion - nothing can pass through a singularity. Not a big bang. Not a black hole. So for someone to write a story that starts just before the singularity - that's fallacious. "God made the universe on day XXX". Who could possibly observe that sh*t? Another thought on the subject - observation and the scientific method works for anything in nature. Hocus pocus skydaddies are supernatural. Science isn't designed to deal with that crap. It can only exist through blind faith, and not proof. NOTE: I had some whiskey and might not be articulate enough in my sharing my thoughts - hope my statements are making sense.
     
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    The problem is we can observe things going into a black hole with the right technology.
     
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    Best to keep those to yourself.
     
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    Actually no. Once it goes into the event horizon, bye bye. You can't see it because the light can't get out. But what happens is gamma rays with no mass can shoot out of a black hole but the thing is - if you look at the burst you cannot tell what kind of atom it was that got ripped apart. So really you aren't seeing anything that you can analyze.

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    I will delete the confession when I sober up tomorrow. LOL
     
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    Actually, yes it can. Check this article out.


    http://www.space.com/18893-black-hole-jets-similarities.html
     
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    I told you 20 times now that "day" is a poor choice here for the Hebrew word, yowm.
    A "yowm" is actually many millennium, a very long "day" of geological time.

    These are the six "days"...

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    Its funny how non-believers get more hung up on the Bible than many Christians do isn't it?
     
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    Atheist or not,... do you believe in Reality?

    Is there only one Reality for us all.
    Or do you believe your life experience isn't part of the Reality we all must live inside or be mad men?
     
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    http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/yowm.html

    Yowm

    also Yom

    Yom Tov, in plural Yamim Tovim, literally the Good Day(s), the Jewish holidays
    Yom tov sheni shel galuyot The second festival day in the Diaspora
    Yom Kippur, Day of Atonement
    Yom Kippur Katan Minor Day of Atonement
    Yom Ha'atzmaut, Israeli Independence Day
    Yom HaShoah, full name Yom HaZikaron laShoah ve-laG'vurah, Holocaust and Heroism Remembrance Day
    Yom Hazikaron Day of Remembrance for the Fallen Soldier
    Yom Yerushalayim Jerusalem Day
    The Day of the Lord Events of the end times

    The Arabic equivalent also means Day....

    Hebrew was a very small language.
     
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    None of that has anything to do with being a Christian however so it is irrelevant.
     
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    Yes, they are trying very hard to show the Bible just can not be right at all.
    Then they say things like is was just written in Babylon and the whole Exodus story is made up stuff.
    They attack everything in the Bible with idea they say opposes facts and science.

    Then they promote either sexually promiscuous ideas like Feminism or Gayness as if the bible doesn't count there.
    In spite that the Bible demands we act sexually prudent, they will also ignore that Stats of today which show that fatherless bastards are filling our cities.

    Bastards are becoming violent criminals, and even experiencing great hardships, themselves, while being raised by single mothers on a Welfare check that is destroying America economically.
     
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    Why complicate something for no reason?

    Why throw something unseen and unknowable into the mix with something known and observed?

    It makes absolutely no logical sense.
     
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    Right.
    A Christians knows that the Bible is right, and can see that the Hebrew was cleverly choosing yowm which can mean half a day, a duration of any length, a 24 hour day, or an era or an age.
    Once we see that even after centuries of use by medieval people, the idea of a 24 hour "day" is ridiculous, but that seven days did exist of the Geological Clock, it all makes sense.

    [​IMG]
     
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    ...because,...
    It makes sense when in our Age we know what Genesis meant while medieval people had no idea about the facts of life at all:

    Chapters 4, 5, and 10 explain the correspondences of the Genealogy with the species of Paleontology:
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    Um, because it is probably the truth of what happened?
     
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    No, a Christian knows that many things in the Bible are only glimpses of what happened and that we do not have all the information to know exactly what happened. Much of the Bible exists simply for historical context and is in no way important to being a Christian.

    As for what God wants us to do in regards to being a Christian, how to become one, he is very specific. Those are the important parts of the Bible.

    Non-believers get hung up on the smallest details in the Bible and think they have found some smoking gun to disprove God while we Christians just shake our head and quietly laugh at them.
     
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    You apparently do not understand what a "singularity" is.
    The modern pseudo-science publications have taken what Hawkins meant and made it seem like there was once a point or place, no other part of the Universe existing.

    The "singularity" actually refers to a graph we, ourselves, place over the universe, and then refer to the center of the Big Bang moment as that place on the graph.
    To say the singularity refers to the place where the Big Bang occurred would be better language.
    But to pretend that is existed before the moment of the Big Bang is dead wrong.

    It is actually a mathematical idea, a place on the graph of the cosmos, where the BB took place.
    It is a dot on the graph paper, not a "thing."
    Before the Big Bang, it was dot too, and after the BB, also.

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    Christians know the Bible is correct, and as we discover that our own previous ideas were dead wrong, and better ones fit perfectly,... we change, not the Bible.
     
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    You mean AFTER the Solar Clock was created on the 4th "yowm?"
     
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    Actually, this would be what YOU "Know" and creatively interpret from ancient texts based on extremely limited understanding. Pretty much everyone else giggles in disbelief each time you repost this comical hypothesis.
     
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