Is Roe v. Wade at Risk???

so republicans support abortions in the case of rape?

 

Cool beans. Like I said before: I am not looking for your agreement on the matter. You are more than welcome to believe they were all raving liberals.

Like the Republican darling, - the death penalty, they ruled in favor of it.

They ruled in favor of freedom of press, which is a conservative position, even though the current GOP us firmly against it.

They ruled that obscene material is not protected by 1st amendment. Liberals would have voted in favor of porn industry.

 

One Republican (Todd Akin (R-Mo.) actually argued it is impossible to get pregnant from rape.

 

oh, I remember that

"Senate Candidate Provokes Ire With ‘Legitimate Rape’ Comment"

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/...rovokes-ire-with-legitimate-rape-comment.html

"“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

 

For political reasons I reluctantly support allowing that choice.

 

Oh wow. You found one idiotic clown. That proves nothing.

 

not sure what the "political reasons" are, but glad you do not support forcing rape victims to have their rapists baby, sadly many do

 

It does, actually. He was a representative of the Republican voters. He represents their views, and that comment shone light into those views. That mindset is sometimes very narrow and closed-minded.

 

Choice. You either accept it, or you don't.

You do know that even people who have been vaccinated, can catch it? I believe they can transmit it also. It's not a matter of what I do, it's a matter of the hypocrisy.

So if the chance of infection is the vital key, why isn't anything done about Epstein Barr Virus, which over 95% of the population already has?

 

I wish I knew the answer to that.

Did some company banking this morning, the car in front of me had a bumper sticker on the back of it saying (paraphrase) if you don't vaccinate you can't call yourself a parent.

People feel this overwhelming urge to tell other people how to live their lives. I've yet to understand why a stranger feels they need to tell me what to do, or what they view as the repercussions are of things that I may or may not do.

 

I share this concern. I don't know if people were more polite years ago or things just weren't so wound up like they are now. It doesn't even have to be political. I don't understand why people want strangers to know what school their kid attends or how many are in their family and such. It's just way too familiar and opens one up for attack.

Years ago, we went to an outdoor music festival. Another family met us there. As we were walking to the parking lot, I used my key fob to open the sliding doors on my mini-van because my kids were running ahead. The wife of the couple stopped in her tracks and blurted out that we had top-of-line car seats (I've never understood why parents buy designer clothes for their kids but cheap out on car seats. I'd rather my kid be alive than cute!). We were a bit surprised by her reaction thinking it was no big deal but she was very upset about it for some reason. She stopped speaking to us and canceled a future date we had to get together. It was just so weird. I've met plenty of people that have more expensive items and I've never once resented them for it. It seems like a silly thing to get bent out of shape about.

So, I've learned that it doesn't matter if people know your religious or political views. Some people will find *anything* to be upset over. I feel kind of bad for them. That has to be exhausting.

I try to live by "live and let live". I wish more people did.

 

The nonsense from NBC Mews and Useless Today is nothing short of propaganda and disinformation.

The fact that the Supreme Court is willing to hear a case has nothing to do with "signals" to overturn a case.

Robin Marty is so clueless he couldn't find a clue if he was smeared with clue musk and doing the clue mating dance in a field of horny clues.

Federal district courts often issue conflicting opinions. The circuit courts resolve those conflicts for the federal district courts in that circuit.

Even so, circuit courts often issue opinions that conflict with other circuits.

Recently, the Supreme Court heard a case on the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA).

Does that "signal" the Court is going to render it unconstitutional?

No. The 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Circuits had one definition of "debt collector"; the 3rd, 7th, 10th and 11th another definition, and the DC, 1st, 2nd and 9th had another definition.

The time was now "ripe" -- a word the Supreme Court often uses -- to set the record straight.

Marty is so ill-informed on the subject matter that he doesn't even understand the Supreme Court's definitions of life and death.

You need only read those cases to understand that abortion will always be permissible in the 1st Trimester and for at least part of the 2nd Trimester.

Anyone who claims otherwise is fear-mongering.

 

Why would thay make an exception for rape?

BTW, if YOU are the one raped and impregnanted the number of others would hardly matter....but your callousness is noted.

 

Abortion affects NO one but the woman who has one.....passing along a dangerous disease affects EVERYONE....that's the difference.

And wearing a mask does not do this to you:

Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death.

 

Glad to know your copy and paste skills are still up to date.

You are leaving out the actual point of the discussion, which your lengthy dissertation did not address. The responsibility of the pregnancy in the majority of cases: Some one having unprotected sex is somehow not 'irresponsible', but someone choosing to not receive an inject of an experimental drug somehow IS considered 'irresponsible', by the very same people. Choosing to not have the inject is not necessarily endangering anyone. It's a big assed MAYBE.

Your own post, thank you very much, highlights the very fact that while both conditions could be life threatening, people are not being held to the same levels of responsibility. And just to clarify the argument, Yes, an abortion effects more than just the mother, as would the pregnancy itself.

 

Who does an abortion effect other than the woman carrying the fetus?

 

And then we will hear of the rapists being abusive during the coerced visitations.

If some anti-abortionists had their way we'd lock up the victims of rape for having led their rapists into sinful ways. Men, after all, are innocents, women are vessels of sin and creatures of the devil.

 

I never said that.

No, it isn't a "maybe" but even if it was is it really so hard to wear a mask, WHICH DOES NOT USE YOUR BODY TO SUSTAIN IT'S LIFE, so that others may be safe?

That's because they are two very different issues.

What other person besides the pregnant one does abortion affect physically?

 

And forcing women to have their rapist's baby means the woman is treated like a criminal and pays a much higher price than any rapist ever did....and Republicans applaud.

 

Aleksander, do you recall when Trump said that there should be some form of punishment toward women that have abortions?



We will never know for certain, but I would wager that he has impregnated some women he wouldn't want to have his baby. I mean, he cheated on all his wives and had unprotected sex with a hooker. There had to be a few unwanted pregnancies along the way.

I find it amazing how we want to be the world's police but some espouse the same misogynistic views toward women as we claim to "be fighting against" in other cultures.

Besides, we all *know* that it's Eve's fault that Adam bit the apple condemning all women for all eternity. /sarc.

 

Well, duh! Everyone knows it was her fault for being raped because rapists are sick and demented and drunk with the idea of overpowering women. What she decided to wear that day instantly changed him from a decent guy with morals and values and her Jezebel nature lured him to the dark side. /sarc.

 

Do people still actually Believe That?? It is astounding what the human will believe when it comes to biology!! /the world is over populated as it is.....and soon will not be able to sustain the weight of all these humanoids. But that is another topic.

Technically it is no one eases business what a woman decides abut an unwanted pregnancy........except for the sperm doner. and her medical advisor. We as a peple need to learn not to judge others the way that is done.......and to so much detriment.

 

I sure hope that if abortion is banned the US is ready to pay more taxes for all those poor kids that will be born....



(sarcasm alert) I'm sure Republicans especially will love the added tax burden since they haven't minded at all funding entities for the support of CHILDREN( those PRECIOUS LIVES) like Welfare and SNAP...

 

FreshAir said: ↑
so republicans support abortions in the case of rape?

Why?

 

The issue should have been left to the states from the beginning. That will be the effective outcome here, IMHO.