My dislike for homosexuality has nothing to do with religion

I am pursuing solutions available to me. I'm advocating for the repeal of the perversion that is homosexual marriage and attempting to do my best to educate the populous on the danger to children.

And it's funny, that report had 80% lesbian respondents and only 18% gay male respondents. I look forward to a more balanced study.

 

I just shared enough to back up the conclusion I'm holding to. You really haven't proven that nonsense you are leaping to.

 

You've provided a PRELIMINARY report which nobody can verify because they haven't released the pertinent information and you provided it by a group of people whose respondents VOLUNTARILY allowed these people to survey their children. Notice 80% of your parents were lesbians and only 18% of them were gay males. As we all know the gay males are the ones who are predominantly molesting children in the homosexual community. Do you think a homosexual male couple would allow them to interview their children if they were having sex with them?

 

Sounds interesting.

And THAT is a crazy goal, for sure.

I would surely submit that you are distorting existing facts and jumping to fairly irrational conclusions (though perhaps a sophisticated way).

As I suggested before, I'll keep my eyes/ears open for any reputable expert that agrees with the kind of notions and conclusions you are sharing in this forum. I'm pretty sure I won't find them. And I'm definitely not going to let homophobic nonsense of the type you are spewing, stand without some challenge; even if the challenge amounts to encouraging those more expert than myself to look into the nuts/bolts of what you've twisted-up into an 'opinion'.

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Do you know the rules of this forum?

(Think.)

 

So in otherwords... you can't refute my claim.

And you're right... my apologies... deleted. Now could you address the points made?

 

Close. I'm not going to waste my time trying to refute your wild, personal conclusions.

No. I'm done with you and this thread.

Peace.

 

Yeah... that's what I thought.

 

As a general rule those making a claim supply evidence to back it up.

 

I really found the Journal of Homosexuality's (the leading "academic" journal for homosexuals) position on pedophilia to be absolutely appalling and the acceptance by their readership to be quite disturbing.

The academic Journal of Homosexuality (vol. 20, nos. 1/2, l990) has also explored the issue of "Male Intergenerational Intimacy" in a generally approving manner. (Back issues of this journal can be ordered by calling Haworth Press at 1-800-HAWORTH.)

Discrimination Against a Minority
The vast majority of the articles in "Male Intergenerational Intimacy" argue that pedophilia should be freed from categorization as child abuse. In the foreword, Dr. Gunter Schmidt closes by saying that "Each individual case must be looked upon on its own merits...the threat to make all pedophile acts punishable by law can barely be labeled civilized...it implies discrimination and persecution of a minority and should be abolished." (p. 4)

Another group of writers (two psychologists and a lawyer--Sandfort, Brongersma, and Naerssen) argue that "the current social climate makes it rather difficult to look at [pedophilic] relationships in an objective way." (p.5)

"Born that Way and Can't Change"
In another article, "'The Main Thing is Being Wanted': Some Case Studies on Adult Sexual Experiences with Children," the author says that one-third of the pedophiles he has studied claimed that "their sexual desire for children is a natural part of their constitution. This desire is variously described as 'inbred,' 'innate,' 'a fact of nature,' 'inherent in them,' etc. The leitmotif of their accounts is 'this is me' or 'just the way I am.'"

The author concludes that the feeling of being "born a pedophile" makes them feel they cannot change, and therefore they are convinced they have the same right as other people to pursue the "natural" expression of their sexuality. (p. 133). The same author quotes a respondent's belief that "if adult-child sex was commonplace, the majority of it would surely be good for both participants." (p. 137).

Psychology Must Remain "Unbiased"
Another article ("Boy-Lovers and their Influence on Boys," by Edward Brongersma) complains about the "bias" which labels man-boy sex as "abuse, molestation, assault, " etc. Dr. Brongersma complains that researchers are unable to remain objective about pedophilia, saying "...many people...exhibit such violently emotional hostility toward boy-lovers because they fear their own...pedophile impulses." (p. l53).

Dr. Brongersma goes on to cite cases in which social workers achieved "miracles with apparently incorrigible young delinquents--not by preaching to them but by sleeping with them." He describes how these sexual relationships "did far more good than years in reformatories." (p. l6l).

He advises that the loving pedophile can offer a "companionship, security and protection" which neither peers nor parents can provide (p. l62) and goes on to say that parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a thief of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home..."

Children's Rights to Autonomy
Another writer, David Thorstad, argues for "freedom of sexual expression for young people and children" (p. 255) and quotes a lesbian who talks of the "rich texture" of her experiences as a molested child.

Writer Gerald Jones says that "same-sex intergenerational intimacy may be developmentally functional" (p. 279) and says, "Some studies have found benign or even beneficial results in boys who were at the time involved with men" (p. 280). Dr. Jones speaks approvingly of recent studies which discuss pedophilia in "value-neutral terms." (p. 280)

Along the same vein, The Harvard Gay and Lesbian Review interviewed poet Allen Ginsberg, a homosexual pedophile, shortly before his recent death. In a generally flattering article, they report Ginsburg's philosophy (not mentioned by the mainstream press) about sex with children, and offer no judgmental comment about it. The article is entitled, "The Liberation is the Word" (Summer 1997):

(Allen Ginsberg): "Like the whole labeling of pedophiles as 'child molesters.' Everybody likes little kids. All you've got to do is walk through the Vatican and see all the little statues of little prepubescents, pubescents, and postpubescents. Naked kids have been a staple of delight for centuries, for both parents and onlookers. So to label pedophilia as criminal is ridiculous."

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I did... do I need to post it again or would you like to go back and read it for yourself?

 

Homosexuality isn't a community.

 

I'm sorry would your argument of semantics make you feel better if I said the collective group of those who engage in homosexual activity? Because it certainly wouldn't change my argument.

 

That's alright, I don't think you have an argument.

 

Your decision to stick your head in the sand does not change the statistical evidence that my claim is true.

Though your willingness to put children at risk because you refuse to accept the facts that disagree with your support of the homosexual agenda is rather disturbing.

 

what exactly is your claim?
What is the data that supports the claim? Not a conclusion you infer, but actual data.

 

So you will NEVER do a post against homosexuality that will reference religion.....else this post will be re-posted to the thread.

Right?

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BTW, would BR (or any other guy antipathetic to gays) run out of the room screaming if....


two good looking WOMEN started making out in front of them?

 

I already posted my data... I've posted one link that I explained myself and brought data forth to back myself up. If you disagree with that math or the conclusion then explain why. Just stating "you're wrong" over and over again is not a refutation.

I also provided about 15 (or more) other links to sources that I'm sure you ignored as well.

Also... I already explicitly told you what my claim was. Those who engage in homosexual behavior also engage in child molestation at FAR higher rates than their heterosexual counterparts. The numbers support my conclusion. I'm sorry you don't like that.

 

"Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, p. 147). "
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Many studies are represented within the provided link, should one decide to inform themselves.

 

They hate this info.
They ignore the federal government's statistics of child sexual abuse, or the kinder labels the left like to give it like "Premature Consensual Sex"... they ignore the math when it comes to number of homosexual child sexual abuse cases vs. percentage of gay population and get mad when people make this claim.

They will whine, accuse and deny it.

Can't wait to read through the thread and watch it.

 

I challenge your assertion and want you to back up your claim. Every time I have this discussion with a homosexual, or someone who is supporting them, they always make this same argument about pedophiles can't be labeled homosexuals and they always source the EXACT same webpage/document:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/...olestation.html

The problem is, this is not a study or even a legitimate survey. This is a glorified blog entry by a self-described "internationally recognized authority on sexual prejudice (also called homophobia), hate crimes, and AIDS stigma." Not only is this not an actual scientific study, it is simply this one man surveying a group of studies that he hand picks ALL of which are from the 70's and 80's except for a couple. He then comes out and says "case closed, after reviewing all these studies that I hand picked, I've concluded that homosexuals cannot be pedophiles." Providing this as a "source" is tantamount to me sourcing Jerry Falwell who went and hand picked a group of studies from the 70's and 80's and he comes out and tells you that "case closed, after reviewing all these studies I've concluded that homosexuals are all pedophiles."

Now... How about you back up your claim. Show that pedophiles have no sexual attraction to adults. Show that pedophiles have no preference in regards to the gender of their victim. Until then a male pedophile that has sex with a young boy is a homosexual

You see this is nothing more than an excuse. The only way homosexuals can justify the absolute ABSURDLY high rate of child molestation in the homosexual community is to say that the guy who wants to have sex with that young boy isn't ACTUALLY a homosexual... he's some kind of weird third sexuality so you can't pin those activities on homosexuality. It's a ludicrous position to take.

It's funny though... before you knew that guy liked to have sex with underage boys... you considered him a homosexual.

 

The only people that call simple disapproval of, "hate".... are gays.

Those with common sense realize it's just simple disapproval.

{shrug}

 

Lol, I have no idea how he can continue arguing with the numbers presented from the US Dept of Justice.
Anyone with a brain wouldn't just challenge you, but take the numbers and present them in a way opposing yours.

Someone who just can't.... will keep telling you to "prove it".


Like I said... it is inbred for them to just call out "hater!" "homophobe!" and "prove it!"
Stopping to try and understand what's being said is unlikely to happen.



Anyway... well done on the pwnage ; )

 

What label would you like to apply to grown men forcing sex on young boys ?

We'll go with that !

 

Why not try and understand that ALL same-sex pedos are gay ?
Why not look into the numbers of the gay population (3%) who have committed pedophilia vs. the straight population (97%) who have committed pedophilia.

Per-capita, you lose.

Of course... none of you will go there.

Only a complete fkn moron would take that from what he said.
(this is where you say "I didn't really mean that").

Face it ....he has pwned Jonny-C

 

Blackrook didn't say he "disapproved" of them...he said he didn't like them. A matter of degrees from hate.

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Strange, because that's exactly what you seem to be saying in Post #72.

 

If it was hetero 'romping around' I wouldn't be in favor of it in my house. No romping around in my house, hetero or homo.