Part 13 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

okay, there's a line somewhere nearby, and you've crossed it.

time for a visit to your GP.

 

The NT is the continuation and fulfillment of the OT with Jesus Christ Resurrection there will be no NT.

Yes Islam have their Quran that has nothing to do with the OT or NT it has their own revelation and story they follow the lineage of Hagar and Ishmael not the Biblical revelation of Isaac and Jesus Christ.

Islam do not accept the Torah they believe it is corrupted that is why they do not accept the very core message of the Torah that Isaac is the chosen one. Islam do not believe in the God of Abraham they believe in the God of Mohammed.

 

but before you make that appointment ....

wickedness and evil is still around us - DESPITE 2000 years of your sky daddy's domination?

 

I'm gonna take a wild ass guess here, it wasn't rational but it was a way for enemy tribes to strike at the heart of the other. God was just a figment they used to help them cope with such brutal act. If an imaginary being told them to do it, then they were not at fault.

 

I don't have to make things up because the Bible did not said anything about drowning babies that claim is made up by you and your group. Cannibalism have been proven to have existed by modern science in fact it still exist today.

Because there were no babies left the wickedness of man was so absolute that they brutalized, cannibalized, the unborn and the born to their satisfaction the Bible is very clear
Genesis 6: 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Yes read that passage and tell me that you do not support the wickedness and evilness of man.

No flaw the Noah's flood and the Amalekite are two different background. So are you saying you support wicked and evil?

I notice that you and all of your group have this same attitude you all find it funny that wickedness and evil is great? And innocent people being victimized by these wicked and evil people is something to laugh about

You have no none Biblical evidence to prove that cannibalism, infanticide, neonaticide, murder, rape, torture, impaling, ethnic and tribal cleansing, slavery, oppression, wars and mutilation of human body did not exist or not real. Do you have a single none Biblical evidence to disprove none of those existed?

Why are you and your group kept on making excuses for those wicked and evil people???

 

You have already crossed it long time ago I am just trying to pull you out from that quick sand before you turn into one of them

God has gave us the good people a fighting chance and we are now fighting back against wicked and evil people that have cause the death of millions and billions with their war of aggression, ethnic cleansing, abortions, infanticide, neonaticide these evil and wicked people kill innocent babies continually for thousand of years.

You need to pray more it will help if not stop at least reduced all these wickedness and evilness being inflicted by humanity on their own kind no GP can help you they will only pump you with drugs and more drugs.

 

WTF is blooter. And you can tell me til you blue in the face. You all believe in the God of abraham. Father of Issac and Ishmael.
And I'm quite certain personal attacks is against the rules. But if you've lost the debate, it's all you have left. I understand.

Maybe you all are the true religion, doubtful, but it is a possibility. There are multitudes of differences in the 100s of christian religions alone. Take the RC and the protestants, completely different idea on how to get to paradise. Completely different view of jesus' mother mary.

It could mean that, it could also mean you don't have a clue about what it is you believe. You're a blind sheep.
He doesn't contradict himself, but you do so daily, right here on this forum.

PS - God didn't say that, as you posted, john said that. And you still completely ignored Gifted on his James 2 post. Actually you ran from it.

Your ignorance is showing again. Many of those isms have a god, just different from the 3 abrahamic god you and the jews and the muslims follow.

Peace.
Glad you think one who thinks the whole world of noahs flood time ate all the children and babies isn't confused. Then it must be you.

 

I would suggest you do the same so that you will stop making false accusation against God.
I have been quoting from the Bible the problem is you and your buddies are ignoring it and kept making false claims.

 

Neonaticide was a new word for me:

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Neonaticide?o=2800&qsrc=999

 

He already confirmed to me he doesn't own a gun. So folks around him are safe. Unless he gets hungry, then watch out kids.
And I did say the PF white coats need to make a visit. Guess there are no white folks on the forum.

 

When does promoting wickedness and evil become rational? Oops, I forgot it is already rational just check out this thread too many ppl are making all kinds of excuses to protect the wicked and evil people that God punished. Plus humanity for the last thousands of years have been rationalizing the right to kill innocent people this include babies in order to promote and expand their wickedness

 

No, seriously. You seem to be getting nuttier.

You quite openly, and very badly, keep trying to deflect us away from the fact that you believe all this killing on the part of your god was necessary. Standard fare for the literalist, but you've gone several steps further and are now making stuff up to try to hide the gaping holes in your dogma. And such stuff!

No amount of demanding a moral position from atheists on the content of your bible will disguisr the fact that calling evil good is a problem. And that IS what you're doing.

 

A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/who-created-God.html#ixzz2uV7HqIMd

 

Exactly WR! It's a common misinterpretation by our non-believing friends. The Bible is certainly not a book for the misinterpretation impaired...that's for sure!

 

You just proved you are misinterpreting Scripture by saying Pharoah's heart was softened by the plagues, quite the contrary. Scripture does not say anywhere that Pharoah's heart was being softened by the plagues, it remained hard thruout the plagues because He was a stubborn man.

He would agree into letting the Israelites go but as soon as a particular plague would stop he would change his mind and refuse to let them go because of his stubborness. This goes on for a while. You should read it again more closely.

Let me point out that biblical languages had idioms, colloquialisms, Semitisms, and word usages peculiar to them, which those familiar with the language would understand.

Hebrew and Greek languages used verbs to mean something other than their strict, literal usage. So when we get to the text saying that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, it means that God would permit or allow Pharaoh’s heart to be hardened.

Pharaoh made up his own mind to resist God’s demands. Of his own accord, he stubbornly refused to comply. Of course, God provided the occasion for Pharaoh to demonstrate his unyielding attitude.

If God had not sent Moses, Pharaoh would not have been faced with the dilemma of whether to release the Israelites. So God was certainly the instigator and initiator. But He was not the author of Pharaoh’s defiance.

The plagues were all the result of Pharaoh's own stubborness, his hardened heart. And it is clear that God did not unjustly or directly harden Pharaoh’s heart.

So in conclusion, you have grossly misinterpreted Scripture. And so the only thing that is so horrible here is the issue you have in misinterpreting Scripture.

At one time in the past didn't you interpret Scripture correctly when you were as you claimed an ordained minister?

 

You dont know anything of the sort. It's just a 'special pleading' cop-out. Same rules for everything in the universe EXCEPT your god. What a remarkably convenient plea. So convenient in fact, you'd think it was all the work of mere mortals.

 

We read in Scripture, Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years.”---Genesis 6:3 NLT

God said this just before the Great Flood of Noah, in a world gone wrong in which He observed the extent of human wickedness on earth and so like He said in the future our normal lifespan will be no more that 120 years.

 

Well....so much for THAT prophesy as Geneticists identified the aging Gene some time ago and as of RIGHT NOW....for those who can afford it....a engineered Zygote can have a life span of close to 450 years.

A person in their 20's can be given Gene Therapy and increase their lifespan and live close to 220 years old.

A person in their 60's can be given Gene Therapy and live to be 150 years old.

The thing is a person who is born engineered will not grow old in the 60's rather they will live for over 100 years and appear to be in their mid 40's.

When we age our cells reproduce by Mitosis and unlike when we are younger when they split and make perfect copies of themselves....when we grow older the copies of cells that split slightly unravel their DNA strands and this causes us to age.

We are capable NOW of preventing such aging from occurring at a rate of about 5 to 6 times less so than what is normal now.

Genetic Engineering is probably the next step in Human Evolution but we have to be careful as people living so long would place a tremendous strain upon our resources and population would spiral up out of control.

This is why it would seem we are destined to move out into the Galaxy at the point we can develop and understand the UFT...or Unified Field Theory.

AboveAlpha

 

You still can not come to the reality that fighting wickedness and evil is the right thing to do? You made your position clear. You demand moral position on us Christians and I as a Christians have made it known that I am against wicked and evilness. Why can't you speak against the wicked and evil people in the Bible why defend them is it because atheist have no moral standard that for them making excuses and allowing evil to prosper at the expense of innocent babies is okay? Is that your standard I won't even use the word "moral" since you seem to apply that word to Christians only.

 

HOLY S#!%!

Crank is right!!!

You are LOSING IT!!!

Take a TIME OUT!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Man's creative power not only can they extend human life span they are now nearing perfecting the creative power of cloning another human being genetically modified to be perfect in every ways the "perfect" human". And this will go back again to Genesis 6: 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

What's next? made to order humans base on specific requirements and preference.

Indeed crank, you and I are right you guys are for the wicked and evil while I am on the side of good is that what you are saying because that seem's to be the case unless you want to clarify your position are you making excuses for the wicked and evil people mention in the Bible or not?

 

I have responded to this exact same post you tried before. You ignored the post as you clearly have no response to it.
No idioms are used, or feel free to point them out.
Many ordained ministers do not relate to scripture as the accurate inerrant description of god or history. Many denominations don't.
Sad to see someone who wants to be a Christian so afraid to honestly engage, or so naive about the breadth of his faith.

 

In this thread alone we see a clear example of what the meaning of "Pharaoh's heart is harden or God hardened Pharaoh’s heart " some posters have been extremely adamant about God killing babies during the Noah's flood ignoring the very reason why God took action and that was because there was too much wickedness and evil. Genesis 6 mention nothing about killing innocent people be it babies or adults the action and yet in spite of the clarity of the Bible many posters are still insisting that innocent babies were killed by God and intentionally ignoring the very reason why God took action and that is to stop the wickedness and evil that has plague the planet.

Genesis 6: 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. This phrase sums it up clearly but many posters heart are so harden that they just refused to accept it

 

The Israelites were just as wicked and God let them expand. Kind of a double standard on Gods part don't you think.

Just because the parents were wicked does not make a newborn baby wicked. In Gods law it says that children should not be punished for the crimes of the parents. Looks like another double standard.

Kind of silly don't you think, God tells the Israelites "this is the rule" and then has them break that rule.

The Israelites were evil and wicked. None of this is any reason to kill innocent babies.

No, it means that my next comment dose not rely on my previous comment. I get that English is probably not your first language so I understand the occasional confusion.

Sure, and God does not seem to care. Why is that ?

You are confused. I am not talking about evidence of baby killing. I am talking about the evidence of the flood.

We have no evidence such as a continuous layer all over the earth. If a flood happened the evidence would have to be there but we do not find this or any other evidence.

If God did not erase this evidence and Man did not erase this evidence... who did ?

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You are lucky then. When they do answer it is often with the irrational and when you say anything that shows their logic or beliefs are conflicted they go into ignore or denial mode.

 

Dude .... How can the God of the Jews not be the same God as Christians? Only reason Christianity exists is because of the Jews. Jesus was a Jew and he worshiped the God of the Jews at that time. Jesus even tells us that his God is the God of Abraham.

What on earth are you talking about ?? This is perhaps the most inane thing you have said and that is a very high bar to hit.

Do Christians not pray to the same God as Jesus did ?