Part 13 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

because your book doesn't spell out whether or not there were children on earth when the flood happened, and you don't like admitting that if there was, the flood was unequivocally evil, you've made up the cannibalism thing to soothe your conscience?

here's the problem with old man-made books claiming to be from god - the authors didn't have the imagination to envisage anyone ever asking "but what about all those kids who'd have drowned in the great flood"?, so they simply didn't address it. just as they didn't address MANY important points, leaving you worshippers floundering as you are today. forced to fill in all the newly exposed blanks with increasingly nutty rationalisations. your god has turned the modern day believer into a morally bankrupt, inadvertent liar.

 

Not sure about Genesis but there are plenty of other places where God kills innocent babies and fetuses.

There were obviously many fetuses killed in the flood as the people were having so much sex and they did not have good contraception methods like we do today.

Since these fetuses were not yet born the Wicked people would not have been able to eat them.

 

We don't know why for there is no explanation in Scripture. Although there are many speculations out there but I myself don't like to speculate.

Here is a link below that has some answers speculating as to why the tribe of Dan is missing.

http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/4756/why-is-the-tribe-of-dan-missing-from-revelation-75-8

 

LOL!!!
You constantly speculate. You depend on speculation. Your whole world view revolves around it.

 

So what year was Moses born before Christ? 351 PD is equivalent to what year BC (Before Christ)?

 

Exactly! Good post! Yeah I also informed our non-believing friend tbb that Pharaoh's heart was never softened, and that he obviously misinterpreted Scripture, for Scripture never said it, all we read is the hardened heart that Pharaoh possessed thruout the passage...for he was such a stubborn man...obviously we can clearly see that his ego got in the way preventing him from making a rational wise decision in letting the Israelites go. It took 10 plagues for this stubborn guy to finally give up...wow!...such stubbornness!

I tell ya if it was me, I would have given up right after I saw the first plague from Almighty God!...lol

Who am I to be disobedient to Almighty God, the Creator of the universe and all existence!

 

Good post cd! Well yeah, energy sure does sound like the omnipotent Almighty God! And this energy has a mind, an intelligent mind, an omniscient mind!

 

I couldn't have said it any better...good post!

 

He repeatedly agrees to let the Hebrews go and worship their god until god hardens his heart. It is plain, clear and irrefutable in scripture. No interpretation is necessary.
You two are doing your faith tradition a great disservice on these threads. Your desperate attempts are transparent and infantile. You state that the plain reading of scripture is a misinterpretation, but you fail to support your case in any way. You simply make an entirely unsupported decree.
You have made yourselves punch lines.

 

Everything had to begin somewhere but this does not include God, thus God is eternal. If we say God had a beginning, then the next question would be, who created God? Then it goes on and on into infinity. You cannot have an infinite regress of causes.

The buck stops at God, because He is the first cause, the uncaused being that caused everything else to come into existence. Below is a link that explains the "First Cause Argument" for the existence of God. It's a very interesting philosophical explanation.

http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/first-cause.htm

It's been almost a year now, a month short since your post. Has anything changed? I don't think so, we still can't duplicate what only Almighty God could ever do on a grand scale.

Sorry but we will never ever be like Almighty God! for there is only one Almighty God who is eternal, everlasting, who had no beginning, who has no end.

 

Yes probably they were in fact the people in Noah's flood who are they? Were they Hebrews ancestors of Abraham and Isaac that would become Israelites through Noah? God punish the people of Noah's time and they were probably the early Hebrews and in the war between the Amalekites and Hebrews or Israelites the Amalekites were so wicked and evil while the Israelites were less . There is no double standard in fact God would be more stern and harsh towards the Israelites for when ever they sinned the Israelites would suffer hardship.

The babies were not punish it would be unjust if God has allowed those babies to grow to become wicked and evil just like their parents this risk expanding the number of wicked people and an never end to tyranny, oppression, barbarism, wickedness and evilness around the world. It would be double standard or ungodly for God not to save those babies and allow them to become wicked while ignoring the good people that are being victimized.

Yes it would be silly for God to break His own rule that is why He step forward to punish the wicked and saved the innocent.

Th Bible never mention anything about the Israelites being evil or wicked. The Bible also never said anything about killing innocent babies only killing evil and wicked man.

My English is not as strong as yours and yet I understand that the Bible is very clear when it said that God punish the wicked and evil not the innocent and that the Bible never said anything about killing innocent babies you with your strong English should understand that. But why you don't understand?

God care so much that is why good will always triumph over evil in the end. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. etc. their regimes will eventually come to an end and it did.

If you are talking about the flood then the flood is very clear there were no innocent babies only wicked and evil man so why you keep bringing up innocent babies in the Noah's flood?

The evidence of the flood is in the thousand year old Bible.

Because the flood lasted only for 40 days if it lasted for centuries then there will be evidence.

Nobody because the flood lasted only for 40 days not enough time to leave significant evidence notice that most evidence about ancient discoveries are due to thousand of years undisturbed finds.

I think you are referring to Alpha and the rest of atheist that kept on adding stuff that are not in the Bible and ignoring what is in the Bible such as they kept claiming God killed innocent babies when clearly the Bible mention no such thing.

 

I am just here to cure you to make you see things normally.

 

God is better than us no doubt about that, that is why He punish the wicked and evil while many men like to worship and be wicked and evil.

A child stop being innocent once they start to embrace wickedness and evil.
I have been presenting Bible verses several times but the problem is you and your group kept ignoring it and kept adding what is not in the Bible such as God killed innocent babies and you guys keep on harping on that so here is;
Genesis 6: 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

 

There you go again harping away making things up about the Bible why would I admit something that is not in the Bible of course I will not admit it and why would you keep on making things up???

I answer your question honestly and straight forward and you can't find the guts to answer mine the same way? What is it that you are afraid of?
So here it is again:
Now my turn:
1. Where does it say in Genesis that God killed innocent babies or fetuses?
2. Didn't God said clearly in Genesis that the people were wicked and evil? Yes or no
3. If answer is no please provide quote in Genesis to support your no God did not killed wicked and evil people.

The only people that are morally bankrupt are the atheist.

 

This is insanity!

Put aside the bumph from your book for a minute (which explains NOTHING anyway), and think through the IMPLICATIONS of a world wide flood in REALITY. explain it in your terms. Tell us what happened to all the kids, as even a lunatic knows an entire planet cannot be conveniently kid-free.

 

Please provide Bible verses that God kills innocent babies and fetuses.

Making things up again are you. Show me where in the Bible that said God kill ed innocent fetuses?
I don;t think you or any of your groups can answer because God did not killed any innocent babies and fetuses the abortionist of today continue this practice of killing fetuses and babies. God was very clear and of course you will ignore it I know but I will post it just the same;
Genesis 6:And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

How do you know they would not be able spoon those fetuses out and eat them? Wicked people are capable of all sorts of wickedness including eating the unborn fetuses. That is why God said:
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

 

So now you understand just how wicked and evil the people were during the Noah's flood time?
Think about this carefully are you willing to seat back while Afghanistan is over run by wicked and evil Taliban mutilating, torturing all atheist women, men and children sending all children to become child soldiers to fight and kill their parents and relatives that refused to convert will you allow all atheist to die a terrible death but most of all allow wickedness and evil to get stronger and stronger?

Noah's flood the Bible mention no innocent babies if you like o discuss the what if scenario I can give you a very logical answer and that is there were no innocent babies and children the wicked people were so wicked that it commit cannibalism, infanticide, Neonaticide is the killing of a newborn infant less than a month old, head hunting, mutilation, etc. etc. And are you saying you are okay with all these wickedness??? Tell me you are not?

 

But the first cause argument is seriously flawed. What makes you think that it advocates your position for god being the cause of all things. It does not necessarily lead to this conclusion; it could just as well advocate that an eternal octopus is the first cause of all things. You simply think it is your god because to say otherwise would be heretical.

And I do not accept the mere off the cuff remark that you cannot have an infinite amount of causes. Why?

 

Are you suggesting that for the most part you never sinned as a child growing up? And so you had to constantly make up pretend sins so they wouldn't spank you?

I know you told us that on one occassion because you told them you couldn't think of any sins you committed for the entire week they spanked you because they didn't believe you.

Were there multiple times that this happened or was this just one occasion?

So which is it, are you holding a grudge on them for being wrong on one occasion or were there multiple occasions that this happened or are you suggesting for the most part as a child you never sinned for weeks on end and had to constantly make up pretend sins just so they wouldn't spank you?

Seems to me it's more than likely the 1st scenario is what is true here. They were wrong once and for that you have held a deep hatred against the entire Catholic faith.

But c'mon, you're grown up now, can't you learn to forgive those who you believed had wronged you in the past? Everybody goes through some tough moments in their lives but most of us don't keep dwelling on the past, on the negatives.

We move on and let go of our grudges we had in past times. I know there are people who really had it rough when they were growing up and it's still very tough for them to let go of the past but in your case, you might be over-reacting if it was just on one occasion that they spanked you for not believing you that you didn't sin for an entire week.

You know the whole Christian faith is based on love and forgiveness.

We read in Scripture, "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus."---Romans 3:23-26 NLT

 

The direction of membership (growth or decline) remains very stable," writes the Yearbook’s editor, the Rev. Dr. Eileen Lindner. "That is, churches which have been increasing in membership in recent years continue to grow and likewise, those churches which have been declining in recent years continue to decline."

However, Lindner points out, "the rates of both growth and decline have generally slowed in comparison to recent years."

Christianity is not and will not destroy itself. It is only wishful thinking coming from enemies such as yourself Woody, who, because of intense hatred, would love to see turmoil after turmoil within the Church. But sorry it is here to stay until the end of the earth.

Furthermore, Christianity is not attempting to become the sole religion because there will always be people believing in other religions and of course there will always be people putting their faiths in no religion at all (i.e. atheists)

Christianity does not force anyone to believe or imposes its belief on others. You have the free will to either accept it or reject it (such as what you've been doing Woody)

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ knows that not all people would be saved when He said, "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it. ---Matthew 7:13-14 NLT

 

So you contradict yourself again in one post. Read it through.

Your questions. REMEMBER I don't believe Genesis anyway, but for you I will answer.

1. In Genesis it says that God killed all the inhabitants of earth by flood - except Noah and his family. Now anyone with even a childs understanding realises that this must include innocent children and unborn feotuses. Your statements in the past show you know this.

2. Yes. The Bible says that.

3. I did not claim that God did not kill wicked and evil people. You misrepresent again through your lack of understanding.

What is your interpretation of 'wicked and evil' people today?

It seems that you believe all the world who do not accept Jesus are 'wicked and evil' because they are condemned to hell. Yet there are billions out there who are more caring than many Christians. But if you take the Bible literally they have no chance.

As far as I am concerned it is all irrelevant as the book of Genesis is merely man explaining things according to his understanding. If there was a localised flood it had nothing to do with God, just nature.

I am just amazed at the things your mind comes up with, and then, a few posts later, contradicts. Still it follows the CC which has/is now 'updating' on several things like the status of Mary Magdalene, science etc. Must be confusing for you.

 

A doctor needs to be well himself, and properly trained to cure others. I see neither indication from your posts.

 

Yes that is exactly why you say he is eternal because thats the only outcome your faith can have in order for it to not beg the question.
As far as the Higgs Boson, yes its been a year, its been a few thousand for you and you still have NO PROOF whatsoever. The Higgs Boson as you can expect is complicated to confirm. Its also taken you over a year to answer remedial questions do you really want to go down the road of comparing science to your bible? Since I made that post the first successful nuclear fusion reaction has occurred as well. Yes humans are advancing, your bible,,,,,not so much, in fact....not at all.

 

STRAWMAN!! POSTER ALERT!!!! Never said I never sinned as a child. I also was never spanked I said I was punished. Are you having a online fantasy about priests and spanking again? Does that excite you? It must I clearly told you multiple times that was not the case but you keep altering to be that. Creepy.

 

Okay, I see you've reached a new level of weirdness. You now claim that after eating all the children, fetuses were probably "spooned out" and also eaten. It seems your justifications for your god's bad behaviour know no limits.

And you can quit the deflecting - your attempts to suggest I condone evil because I dont hold with mass murder of children, is so simplistic and obvious that I actually feel embarrassed for you.