Part 13 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Here's are simple questions.

Were babies and children killed when the supposed flood took place? All the answer needs is a yes or no.
If the answer is yes then another question
Were the unborn feotuses and babies innocent or not?
If the answer is yes then
Why were they killed?

If the answer is no then how did they become evil?

 

The NT is not accepted by the people who wrote the OT as a continuation. You can claim what ever you wish but the people that wrote the NT do not buy that claim.

The God of Mohammed is the God of Abraham

 

What false accusation have I made? I said that God killed babies, proved it with scripture and you admitted that this was true.

Now you are making up lies against me. Perhaps your beliefs are one big lie since you seem to have a knack for making up stories that do not exist and lying.

 

When you are shown the truth of your flawed beliefs you run an hide. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

I can agree. What I don't agree or believe is it happens to be the same entity the israelites created and then christians and then muslims.
But anything is possible.

 

Occasional? Wow, that is the understatement of the decade.

 

This guy must own PF. For all he tells is lies and rewrites other people's posts to make it look like just the opposite of what one posts.
With all the lying and changing peoples words, he has never had a post deleted. Strange.

 

This is a bit odd ... perhaps they are low on moderators.

 

Completely unresponsive to my post.

 

So God is no better than us...is He? He just calls his wickedness "divine" and we are expected to accept his rationalization?

 

At what AGE does a child stop being innocent and getting automatically into Heaven? Oh and see if you can find anything in the Bible to back up your belief....and not just say "possibly" and add it in to the Bible.

 

You're sick. A normal human being wouldn't even think the thoughts you are promulgating. You need help, and desperately quickly.

 

So let me get this straight. I am on the side of wicked people because I think the idea of killing babies is wrong. You are on the side of good for trying to justify the killing of babies.

Is this what you are saying?

BTW I never made any excuses for "the wicked people" so quit lying.

 

Just what are you saying here?
The bible clearly says that it was God who hardened Pharaoh's heart.
Pharaoh was willing to let the Israelites go until God again hardened his heart. So God was playing cat and mouse with Pharaoh.

 

Here's some food for thought.
A bible study guide.
http://www.reocities.com/Athens/Academy/7860/studyguide.html

 

How do you interpret the following Bible passages? What is the practical application of the Bible passages? Are there exceptions... like its OK to judge a man for being gay?

Matthew 7

"Judging Others

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7

John 8:7

“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8:7&version=NIV

Mark 12:31

"Love your neighbor as yourself."
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12&version=NIV

 

Just looked at the site and there's the usual out of context, misconstrued and misunderstood quotes.

I don't believe the Bible is anything like a book we must take literally, but you need to study it and the cultures, civilisations and background to understand it. and many of the references quoted show that the list compiler doesn't know his Bible, its background etc etc.
Much of the Torah is simply following the customs of surrounding nations.
Sexual hygiene/ bodily hygiene was important in the days before medicines and good washing/water facilities. Circumcision was in practise in other civilisations before Israel came into being.
Swearing was by putting ones hand 'in the hollow of the thigh' (Hebrew translation) - that's on the outside.
God did not kill for practising birth control but for failure to uphold the 'law' that a brother should take his deceased brothers wife and raise a son to continue his brothers family line. The son would be the deceased brothers. AGAIN a practise not confined the Israelites.

Much of the early part of the Bible, ascribed to God, is simply following customs already in nations around. There are many sex and health regulations we think stupid, but we have science and medicines they didn't have. We have the science/ medicine to protect our livestock, and the means to cook thoroughly animals like pigs that pick up from the dirt things detrimental to humans.
We are 3000+ years ahead in the west in our thinking, science, medicine and culture.
In 3000+ years we will be considered very out-of-date.
Trying to put 3,000 year old 'things' into perspective with a 21s century mind is not easy. The need to continue the family line is not felt so keenly today as it was then. It was vital then and to do that brother married deceased brothers wife. Many 'laws' then would not be necessary today.
Some of the 'Biblical' rules still apply in the Arab world.

I've waffled enough.

 

Why must this book which is allegedly the basis for spiritual uplifting and moral guidance be so filled with sex and violence? Were those ancient people so wild that they had to be controlled with death threats?

 

Did you watch the history channels history of the bible about a yr ago. There was some really gruesome things.
It was followed by the vikings sometimes, just as brutal.
That is what survival must've been about.

 

The ancient world was a violent one. Empire followed empire and some were violent takeovers.

Ashur-nasir-pal II (transliteration: Aššur-nāṣir-apli, meaning "Ashur is guardian of the heir"[1]) was king of Assyria from 883 to 859 BC.

Ashurnasirpal II succeeded his father, Tukulti-Ninurta II, in 883 BC. During his reign he embarked on a vast program of expansion, first conquering the peoples to the north in Asia Minor as far as Nairi and exacting tribute from Phrygia, then invading Aram (modern Syria) conquering the Aramaeans and neo Hittites between the Khabur and the Euphrates Rivers. His harshness prompted a revolt that he crushed decisively in a pitched, two-day battle. According to his monument inscription while recalling this massacre he says "their men young and old I took prisoners. Of some I cut off their feet and hands; of others I cut off the ears noses and lips; of the young men's ears I made a heap; of the old men's heads I made a minaret. I exposed their heads as a trophy in front of their city. The male children and the female children I burned in flames; the city I destroyed, and consumed with fire." Following this victory, he advanced without opposition as far as the Mediterranean and exacted tribute from Phoenicia. On his return home he moved his capital to the city of Kalhu (Nimrud).
Probably the worst emperor, but often harsh measures were used to subdue nations by others.

The Bible is based on this background - but - I believe it is written by scribes in the 3-4 centuries BCE as a story/history and they put their bad periods down to God punishing them for sins, and the good times to God blessing them for 'being faithful'.
There is nothing to confirm anything before the start of the King era and that is 'documented' by their records and archaeology.

 

essentially the same thing that had been going on all over the world, since we climbed down out of the trees.

if we don't dance around the maypole just so, the harvest will be bad. etc etc, ad nauseum.

 

So Mitt, tell us what SINS you committed this week. You have sinned (according to your faith) so I am curious what your sins were.
Maybe WR can tell us his sins as well.

 

WanRen's sins are probably of the smutty confessional type (assuming he actually has opportunities for smut .... which, now that I think about it .....), given the christian obsession with genitals.

 

Nope or No forgot it is yes and no so No

answer is No

Innocent

There were no babies and the fetuses were in the womb of the wicked and evil parents

Now my turn:
1. Where does it say in Genesis that God killed innocent babies or fetuses?
2. Didn't God said clearly in Genesis that the people were wicked and evil? Yes or no
3. If answer is no please provide quote in Genesis to support your no God did not killed wicked and evil people.

 

I have a question; revelation 7:5-8 spells out the twelve tribes but misses the tribe of Dan. Why?