Part 18 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

I agree. A very good NONSENSICAL post. Perhaps you both should read and understand the Bible and Egyptian history. Read WarRens post. It has errors any Bible student would notice. Of course, if you can't see it, let me point it out.

1. I've explained the Pharaohs.
2. Human rights in the days of the Egyptians were entirely different to todays human rights. Even God admits that when he allows all sorts of actions we today would not allow.
3. The event where Pharaoh is reputed to have killed boys happened a 2/3 decades before the Israelites are supposed to have left Egypt. So how could this have gone unpunished for centuries. There is no indication of any time gap between Pharaohs orders and the birth of Moses. If you read and understand Exodus 1 this becomes obvious.

 

The wickedness was due to sin, sin had entered the world when our first parents---Adam and Eve disobeyed God.

Here let me give you a thorough explanation of the purpose of the flood given by my favorite Christian web-site.

Genesis 6 gives the sad account of the state of humanity prior to the worldwide flood during the days of Noah. Genesis 6:5 states, “The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.” The level of sin and corruption among the human population was staggering: people thought about doing evil “all the time.” For the strong and healthy individual, an evil lifestyle would have ramifications evidenced by disease and death. But the weak or unhealthy (babies, children, women, and the disabled) would have been immediately put in harm’s way by the evil actions of others.

In addition, “The sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose” (Genesis 6:2). In the Hebrew language, these “sons of God” were “bene elohim.” This term is usually applied to angels (see Job 1:6). Genesis seems to be stating that, somehow, there was a physical union between angels and human women. The unnatural offspring of this union were the “Nephilim” (Genesis 6:4). The word Nephilim is directly transliterated from the Hebrew. The ancient root of the word implies a “fall.” Whatever the word actually means (in some versions of the Bible it is translated as “giants&#8221, Scripture describes the Nephilim as “the heroes of old, men of renown.” Some theologians believe that God could simply not allow this corrupt offspring to exist on the earth, and that was part of the reason for the flood.

What can be understood without question is that the world that was then, the world of Noah, was incredibly corrupt and perverted. Genesis 6:6 tells us that “The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.” The Lord’s “regret” is unlike ours. Creating mankind in the image of God was not a “mistake” on the part of the Lord. The Hebrew word nahem can also be translated “grieved.” The depraved actions of mankind grieved God in His most holy heart.

God responded to man’s sin in a holy and righteous manner, but also in a way that salvaged mankind. “So the LORD said, ‘I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.’ But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD” (Genesis 6:7, 8. Yes, all people on earth died except the eight people who were found righteous in the eyes of God: Noah, Noah’s wife, and Noah’s three sons and their wives. Scripture indicates that Noah testified to the world about the coming flood for 120 years. The people who perished in the flood died because they refused to acknowledge God or seek His forgiveness. Noah, on the other hand, is described as righteous, blameless, and obedient in that he “walked with God” (Genesis 6:9).

Noah and his family became our ancestors. None of us descend from the Nephilim or the unrighteous line of Cain (since Noah descended from Seth). The polluted, unrighteous population of the world of Noah disappeared from the earth. Mankind was salvaged, and from the line of righteous Noah came the Son of Man, Jesus Christ our Lord, who died to save those who call upon His name.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Noah-flood.html#ixzz388omOey3

 

Wan I was very clear and careful with my wording. Please re-read it. Your god can be neither truly good or truly evil based on YOUR bible therefore it is not perfect. Im not claiming it, it is your Also, please stop your strawmans. I asked you very clear questions and you are officially dodging them. If you aren't going to answer then stop quoting me.
IF I DONT ACCEPT YOUR GOD WILL I STILL GET INTO HEAVEN AND AVOID ETERNAL PUNISHMENT? You have stated I am not evil. You have stated above god only punishes evil. Its a yes or no WAN. Answer in a matter of fact manner or your faith has been proven false. Please write another strawman so I can claim victory in this debate. AGAIN.
Also in regards to the sun and moon, I didn't ask what god can do and what he cant, I already know you think anything is possible. The issue is why does it say that in the bible and why did these people who wrote the bible (suppoedly after talking with god) make such an asinine mistake? We already know they thought incorrectly the earth was the center of the universe. Those theists were absolutely WRONG! God gave them the wrong info and I would like to know why.

 

Why does Christianity 'cherry pick' the Tanakh for their own use. The prophecy in Jeremiah actually starts in verse 27, which Christianity leaves out.
When Gd makes a new covenant with the Jews, it is only to re-establish and re-affirm the covenants with the Jews that came before. The covenant God made with Isaac did not replace or break the covenant God made with Abraham and so on. These covenants are eternal Lev. 26:42. Genesis 17:7-7. Psalm 105:6-10 and many others.
This is confirmed in the very next verses 35-36. Only if gods decrees for the sun, moon and stars to shine, the seas and waves were to cease, will Israel cease to be a nation before god. But of course without sun, moon and stars etc, all life would cease.

Jeremiah 31 is referring to the Jews, not to Christianity.

It is actually referring to a time in the future. Verse 33 tells us this. The covenant will be with the House of Judah and the House of Israel. Judah returned to the promised land under Cyrus. Israel is STILL scattered (the 10 lost tribes). When these people are gathered with Judah -Then the covenant will come into effect.
There's much more I could post but why waste time. You wouldn't accept it.

 

That is what the Egyptians believed. If I went into the whole thing WarRen would probably not understand it anyway. You personally know what I mean so why your ..clever.. post.
Come to that, why should they not be inhabited by the spirit of Horus. You believe you are guided by the HS, which according to the Bible dwells within you. To most people the two are just as unbelieveable.

 

Yes! I have stated that the Holy Spirit dwells within me.... that is one of my beliefs... However you have stated in a matter of fact manner that a spirit dwells within someone that you have never had conversation with. The Pharaohs we speak about have long since died and were buried or otherwise placed in tombs. It is that matter of fact manner of yours that I am addressing... You also now say that is what they believed.... how do you KNOW what they believed. Belief is a matter of individual preference. Just because a Pharaoh believed something does not mandate that his citizens believe the same thing...

"To most people" would be an appeal to popularity.

 

The Jews are about to start realizing that Christ was their Elijah.
He returned and did all the same things again which he did in 800BC.

A big revival is on the way.

 

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. The most revealing truths, the most profound, which had the greatest impact has to be the truths coming from the Gospel writers in the New Testament. You either believe what they wrote or not believe what they wrote, I personally, believe what they wrote thus in my mind there is absolutely no doubt that He was indeed the Christ.

And so I agree with elijah in that His geneology is really irrelevant especially when you can make a stronger case with 1st hand eyewitness accounts as to the legitimacy of his being the Christ that was foretold to come as written in the Old Testament.

 

Divinity of Christ can mean that he was a god or part God.

Believing that Christ was "GOD aka God of Abraham, creator God, Father and so on" is something different.

Almost all Christian denominations (and certainly all mainstream ones) adopted the idea that Jesus was GOD after Constantine decreed this to be doctrine at the council of Nicene.

Almost all of the pre Nicene Church fathers denied that Jesus was "GOD".

I have pointed this out to you numerous times yet you continue live in denial of the truth.

 

Christ is not God. So it is all irrelevant. Even Incorporeal doesn't believe what they wrote.

 

Not true. Christ is God.
Here are a few references for you to examine.

John 1:1 “the Word was God.”

John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh..."

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before
Abraham was, I am. "

 

The Flood story is not to be taken as allegory, an example of allegory are the parables told by Jesus. The Flood story is to be taken as a real life historical event in which God punished all but 8 human beings in a world gone wrong. And yes He also saved pairs of animals. One can say that God did a necessary reset when He poured out His wrath on all the sinful wicked people during the Great Flood of Noah's time.

When it comes to God nothing is impossible for Him, nothing that is contrary to His own character and nature.

 

Oh! You said it, therefore it is true. Yeah right. Uh huh.

 

Ref. Post #737: How could Jesus have been God when the New Testament plainly states that no one has ever seen God? If Jesus was real and people saw him and if he was God then they saw God, which makes the statement about no one ever seeing God a lie. So one of those ideas is a lie. Which one do you think it is?

 

To a believing practicing Christian what he wrote wouldn't be true.

What writers? There was only one writer of the Book of Genesis where the Flood story comes from and that writer was Moses. Moses wrote down everything that God told Him to write. And if you interpret the story to mean anything that you want it to mean you will no doubt misinterpret the story. The words are clear and so how can you misinterpret them?

So obviously you have misinterpreted the story. It appears you are just making stuff up. Where does it say in the flood story that there was wide-spread upheaval where people were cast about from place to place because of war? I don't see anywhere in Scripture where it mentions anything you're talking about.

Noah doesn't have any more children, but yes his sons are having children and of course when their children are grown up they are having children of their own and so the world is gradually getting re-populated.

Sorry but I don't see any silliness in having children and forming groups of people in assorted families or tribes if you want to call it that.

Through time when the population began to really increase we read in Scripture that God scattered people throughout the world. This all can't be happening a few years right after the flood and so I don't get what you're trying to express here.

Sorry but you haven't convinced me that your theory/interpretation of the flood story is all related to political upheavals. It was really all about sinful wicked people that God had to purge from the face of the earth but God did spare a family of 8 and pairs of animals.

 

Sorry but I don't see any opinion coming from WR. First off what WR is telling you regarding the lineage is not an opinion of his but he is just expressing what is known from Scripture.

Furthermore when WR says "the issue is you can't accept that" again that is not his opinion for it is a fact that you have expressed you can't accept the lineage of Jesus Christ as explained to you by WR.

Opinions...huh! I see nothing but facts coming from my friend WR.

 

Excellent post WR! I thank you for it!

 

Below is a thorough explanation from my favorite Christian web-site answering the question, ""What does it mean to have the fear of God?"

For the unbeliever, the fear of God is the fear of the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this: “Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our ’God is a consuming fire.’” This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.

Proverbs 1:7 declares, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge.” Until we understand who God is and develop a reverential fear of Him, we cannot have true wisdom. True wisdom comes only from understanding who God is and that He is holy, just, and righteous. Deuteronomy 10:12, 20-21 records, “And now, O Israel, what does the LORD your God ask of you but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Fear the LORD your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take your oaths in his name. He is your praise; he is your God, who performed for you those great and awesome wonders you saw with your own eyes.” The fear of God is the basis for our walking in His ways, serving Him, and, yes, loving Him.

Some redefine the fear of God for believers to “respecting” Him. While respect is definitely included in the concept of fearing God, there is more to it than that. A biblical fear of God, for the believer, includes understanding how much God hates sin and fearing His judgment on sin—even in the life of a believer. Hebrews 12:5-11 describes God’s discipline of the believer. While it is done in love (Hebrews 12:6), it is still a fearful thing. As children, the fear of discipline from our parents no doubt prevented some evil actions. The same should be true in our relationship with God. We should fear His discipline, and therefore seek to live our lives in such a way that pleases Him.

Believers are not to be scared of God. We have no reason to be scared of Him. We have His promise that nothing can separate us from His love (Romans 8:38-39). We have His promise that He will never leave us or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). Fearing God means having such a reverence for Him that it has a great impact on the way we live our lives. The fear of God is respecting Him, obeying Him, submitting to His discipline, and worshipping Him in awe.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/fear-God.html#ixzz38BNQyiBx

 

Mitt, here is a short note for you and WR... enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuXB1a3NBCw

 

There is no scientific conclusive evidence that the Great Flood is an impossibility. There are only theories out there and nothing conclusive.

And so these 3 people you speak of are not maintaining that something that is a scientific impossibility actually happened but rather they are maintaining that something that is a scientific possibilty actually happened.

 

I have never heard people as hypocritical as the men and women who say they are God's messengers.

What does it mean to you to be a Christian? To me, it means to strive to be like Christ. Christ did not always follow the strict rules of the bible, if you believe the apocryphal texts that WEREN'T chosen to be in the Bible. Of course, the logic of Jesus is circular. If you believe that he was God, he couldn't have committed a sin (by the definition of sin...which is to disobey God). He could have tortured a human, but as God, it wouldn't be a sin. He also interpreted the Bible in a fascinating way, and much of his message resembles that of Gautama Buddha, a man that came about 500 years before Christ, and lends to the theory that during that 30 years that are completely left out of Jesus' life in the Bible, he went east, and learned Eastern philosophy.

Yea...I know the Bible is NOT the word of God, since the entire thing was written and translated by humans, it was OBVIOUSLY not the direct word of God, but the interpreted word of God. That being said, coming from the interpreted word of God, I would refer you to Matthew 7:15, and the rest of Matthew 7 for that matter. This refers to false prophets (like yourself), who believe he KNOWS what God thinks. The really ironic part about what you have said is that it seems extremely similar to the origin sin of Adam and Eve. Wasn't original sin eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Wasn't it man's arrogance, and desire to see like God? Funny how you claim to be Christian, but don't remember the original sin, a sin that Jesus reminds you of in Matthew 7:1.

Again, I would encourage you to not only read the Bible, but also to talk to people who have critically studied it. Most biblical scholars (people who critically study and analyze the bible), would agree that there is very little evidence supporting the literal interpretation of most of the bible. Furthermore, there is an immense amount of evidence supporting the political motives for writing the Bible, which you should really look into. There's also the fact that the Bible has been interpreted several times (from Hebrew to Greek and then to English), with many words and verses losing, or having their meaning distorted, in translation.

Fair question, but let me again refer to the many scriptures in the Bible claiming that God is just (such as Isaiah 30:18 or Job 34:12). Then I would refer you to one of Jesus' most famous quotes. John 10:34, "Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"?' Now, while this may be directly referring to legal judges, as the pharisees were in the time of Jesus, have you ever asked yourself the as if you were God? Now, as a human being, you are, by definition, less than God, but as a human being, do you honestly find it just to send people to be tortured for all of eternity? What if you are wrong, and when you die, you face Allah or Yahweh (the God of Islam or Judaism?). Do you think it would be just of them to send you to hell for eternity because you were a Christian instead of a Muslim or Jew? I would encourage you to ask yourself that question, because the fact is, if God loves all of us, it would be morally and ethically wrong to send any being to suffer for eternity. As mortals, men like Jefferson and most other civilized humans in modern society have realized, torturing anybody is unethical and immoral.

Yea...again, I believe Jesus existed, but as I have never read any of his own personal writings, and the bible itself tells me to beware of false prophets and to seek knowledge, I am going to listen to logic and rationality...not what some authority seems to think he knows what God is or does.

I would never want to spend eternity with anything who is willing to let people be tortured for eternity, just for not believing in them without any shred of real evidence. As an ethical, moral, and rational human being, I can tell you that not higher being could ever treat it's creation like that and feel any kind of superiority. If your God is willing to hurt other people; People like Gandhi, Buddha, the Dalai Lama, or Richard Feynman (my favorite scientist who lived an extrodinary life serving others), then I don't want any part of his paradise. I will gladly spend eternity in Hell with the others who don't belong to be there.

Again...so much arrogance. Actually believing that you know the will of God, and can speak on his behalf. Believing that you can tell me or anybody else that we should fear God. I do fear God's judgement, but I don't believe it is a God that will send me to suffer for eternity. I believe it will be a just God, whichever one it is that I do happen to face one day, and I have a very strict moral and ethical code which I live by in their name. I don't tell people they are wrong for not believing what I believe. I don't judge people, as that is not my job or authority. I simply think, learn, and do my best to do what I feel "God" tells me is right. I have made many mistakes in my life, which I will gladly accept punishment for. But I have no fear whatsoever of Hell, and the more likely explanation for what happens after we die is, sadly, nothing. I do not fear nothing, however. I didn't exist for billions of years before 1992, and after I die, I will stop existing for billions of years. However, I have had a very fortunate life that I am extremely grateful for, and maybe someday I will get to experience an even better life.

You should really read Job, particularly Chapter 1. Here is where God sends Job to do his dirty work Job 1:7-13

"Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil." 9 "Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. 10 "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face." 12 The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD."

I don't think you understand the fact that what God did was allowed the most evil thing in the universe to be released on an innocent man who always honored him. He let the devil do his dirty work for him, as CLEARLY shown above.

 

Where did this hydrogen come from? Is this hydrogen a living being?...no it isn't and so how does something that is non-living create beings that are living?

I have heard some atheists say that because of gravity the universe exists. But they can't explain where did this gravity come from.

 

Read the ancient documents and wall decorations which tell us what the Egyptian people believed. Belief today is a matter of personal preference, but it has not always been so, and you well know that. Your pedantry does not impress me one bit.

 

Why would you have an opinion such as that?...all?...you say? In my view I don't find any real tough questions, well maybe just the ones that are incoherent to me, I mean how could I answer a question that is incoherent? If I did then my answer would also be incoherent...lol

When one inquires anything to do with Almighty God do you honestly believe you will get any hard facts? Even if one was to present "facts" it will only be met with denials.

It's a fact that there is historicity of Jesus Christ outside of the Bible but say that to a non-believer and you'll find that most we just be in denial of it. In their minds Jesus was just a made up character.

A fact to one person might be viewed as non-sense to another.

I know a lot of non-believers like to play the "prove" game but that's just plain silly. You either have faith in Almighty God or you don't.

 

There it all is in a nutshell.

There can be no objective facts concerning your God....and thus those who rely on them to define reality will inherently find the opinion laden "Facts" presented by the devout as unacceptable truth based entirely on subjective belief.

What you see as denial is simply logical evaluation of data dismissed as invalid and un-usable for furthering a hypothesis. As you freely admit there can be no "Fact" concerning your belief in this God...you are forced to defend the belief with fabrication and creative manipulation of the ancient texts that present the entity and hypothesis.

When 2000 yrs. of study and evaluation of ANY hypothesis fail to advance it to theory...It is safe to say if is an invalid hypothesis and let it go.