Part 21 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

No! It sounds more like the national anthem of non-theists.

 

That is definitely not the Noah story.

No I don't believe so. I know I have already given an explanation somewhere in these threads of mine.

That's just your opinion. Sorry but until you can attain conclusive evidence your statement is not factual. The reality is, no one will be able to prove/disprove the Great Flood and that's a factual statement.

 

I notice you left out the possibility of some using a malicious intent to misrepresent what others have said: also the practice of some at making demeaning remarks about the character (intellectual) of the person who would not show such reluctance. That is precisely the reason I go about this forum seeking out the claims of non-theists and demanding that they show tangible PROOF of their claims.

 

NO.
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by WanRen
Mormon church is a great deceiver their leadership and founder understood very well what Christianity stand for and that is Christianity are followers of Christ they worship Christ and accept Christ is God.
Tell me, do Jesus christ of latter day saints worship Jesus Christ is God? You seem to think they do I thought you are agnostic?
I really think you will never be able to proof that Mormonism is Christianity without being deceitful.

Mormonism is deceitful because clearly they or some of them claim they are Christians and some of their supporters believe that even though they know very well what Christian mean people who worship Jesus Christ. Mormons do not worship Jesus Christ they like Muslims and other heretical Christian groups they only use or exploit Jesus Christ they do not worship Jesus Christ they treat him as a prophet and the reason they like to use Jesus Christ is because Jesus attracts followers. If you can proof that Mormons worship Jesus Christ then please do so.

 

NO.
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Didn't you just claim that "The only "document" of Christianity is the New Testament" when clearly the Bible document consist the Old and New Testament. Why would you claim it is only the New Testament?
The Bible is true and it is the facts and history that proves that the Bible is true.

 

Yep. All the christians here think Jesus is God. I agree with you.
I don't think Jesus is God. He never made that claim. But it is only I and a few other non fundy christians you always correct. Never one who would tell you, that you are NOT a christian.

 

President Gordon B. Hinckley, prior president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made the following statement in 2005 about Joseph Smith:

“We do not worship [Joseph Smith] the Prophet. We worship God our Eternal Father and the risen Lord Jesus Christ. But we acknowledge the Prophet;
http://www.mormon.org/faq/worship-joseph-smith

The mormons have the latest revelation from God. If you don't follow them, you are no longer following Gods latest words to mankind.

 

If they don't think Jesus is God then you are not a Christian.
God does not boost to be God.
Matthew 16:
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

Matthew 4:
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,

“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”

Even Satan recognize Jesus Christ is God.

 

Narrow that down a bit for me.
Where is it jesus is claiming he is God?

 

In other words, you cannot show such PROOF of claim?

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Playing the role of Hillary today, huh? "Just say No". LOL

 

Can you show me an episode where a Christian has stated that I am not a Christian? Regardless of whether that Christian is a 'fundy' or not. I am completely aware of some non-theists saying that I am a non-christian... but such claims coming from them is irrelevant... as it is expected from non-theists.

So, in essence, you are placing me in the category of a 'non-fundy christian'? What is my feeling supposed to be regarding such labeling? I suggest that you are placing such a label on me, due to the fact that you stated that you agree with me on the issue of Jesus NOT being God. Why is such labeling a seeming requirement?

 

How does one determine whether or not a person is a true prophet of God?

 

Perhaps... Satan recognized Jesus as a man worthy of the ultimate temptation of the Devil himself (as opposed to the temptations of one of the Devils minions). The Devil was tempting the flesh and blood man called Jesus (making an appeal to that human nature part of Jesus... the spirit of man).

If the Devil was knowingly tempting God, that would be creating an error in logic on the part of the Devil. The Devil having already been cast out of heaven would know the power of God and would therefore have to be in submission to God. As seen in the case of the story of Job, the Devil had to ask God for permission to do the things to Job and Jobs family and property that were done. Aside from that, Jesus (the flesh and blood man) makes it quite clear that it is the 'Father' (God) that does the works performed through Jesus; and that the Father was dwelling in Jesus the flesh and blood man. Paul even goes on to clarify this point in speaking about Jesus (the man) saying ".... but was in all ways tempted as we are tempted, yet sinned not."

 

Why? Do you know anything about Judaism? Why should Judaism proselytise? What you have posted is tripe.

Judaism does not need to proselytise because they believe that 'the children of Noah' (Gentiles) who follow the 7 Noahide laws will enter heaven. Look up the Noahide laws. So why do they need to become Jews. Christianity is the exclusive religion. No one but Christians will get to heaven.

If you believe the Bible teaching the Jews were never meant to be world rulers. They were meant to be a nation that would show the rest of the world how God wanted them to live.

As the Tanakh was written by Jewish leaders, don't you think they know what they meant.

That's probably the most ridiculous statement so far. In fact it's not worth even replying.

Heaven help us!

 

Not true. The proof is there. Search Mitts posts. He has stated more than once his bible is out of print.

In the other no, your wording in the post implied you were speaking to him and used non-atheist.

 

Not recently, unless on considers WR a christian. I don't. But if you do, see post #761.

Labeling is not a requirement, just easier when describing things.

 

They tell us.

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I see you found the post.
And you're using human logic to make a determination.

I had to do a double take on who was posting. It read just like one of giftedone's responses. Congrats.

 

The claim was not made by me, therefore the onus of proof is not on me.. Try again.

Implied...??? Don't you mean that it is your interpretation?
"mplied (ɪmˈplaɪd) adj1. hinted at or suggested; not directly expressed:"

If the notion you suggested was "not directly expressed", then it can only be an interpretation you have made.
"interpretation (ɪnˌtɜːprɪˈteɪʃən) n1. the act or process of interpreting or explaining; elucidation
2. the result of interpreting; an explanation
3. a particular view of an artistic work, esp as expressed by stylistic individuality in its performance
4. explanation, as of the environment, a historical site, etc, provided by the use of original objects, personal experience, visual display material, etc
5. (Logic) logic an allocation of significance to the terms of a purely formal system, by specifying ranges for the variables, denotations for the individual constants, etc; a function from the formal language to such elements of a possible world"





That 'possible world' which you are seemingly referencing.. is denied in its entirety.

 

Well, I do consider him to be a Christian. So we (you and me) are immediately at odds on that issue.

Labeling such as 'crazy christians' then would also simply be 'easier' to say or write than 'Christians'? (this is not indicating that you have made such a claim, but rather some others have in the past).

 

He has stated many times, if one doesn't believe jesus christ is God, they are not christians.

And he has misused and abused everything there is under the sun and makes real christians look like total imbeciles. So, no, he is not a representative of christians. They have brains.

 

So, do you believe everything that people tell you?

Yes! I found that post before I read your last post,,, and as seen in the quote you made, I responded to that post.

Now here is the interesting thing. You said you had to do a double take on who was posting. To which specific post was it that you had to do a double take? Are you now suggesting that my post "read just like one of giftedone's responses"?

 

Well, unfortunately, I cannot make a judgment on whether or not he is a Christian. I can only judge his actions, and as long as he is defending the 'Bible' and God and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, then I have to accept his declaration of being a Christian. His opinions and interpretation of scripture may well be different than mine or yours or even many others, however,,, those opinions and interpretations are not in and of themselves a declaration stating absolute truth... In other words, only God knows for sure whether or not WR is a Christian. I can only 'believe' that he is.

 

Really now ... You claiming that my question " Is the Holy Spirit that you say interprets scripture for you from God" is corrupted syntax and grammar is humorous.

Why are you so afraid of this question such that you are so desperate to avoid it ? Is it that your belief system built on such a weak foundation that you are afraid if you answer simple questions it will collapse like a house of cards ?