Part 21 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Technically speaking WanRen statement is partly true provided you believe in God, so he should have added, "providing you believe in God" then of course you do not need to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord Savior because you are claiming to be sinless. A sinless person of course is not evil and is a truly good person.

But again like I said you still have to believe in God, because if you don't that's a sin, a sin that is not pardonable and so that in itself would make you evil. To be a sinner is the same as being evil.

Ok now let's look at your statement that you made, ""SOOOO we can now get into your heaven without accepting your god or jesus as long as we are not evil is that correct?"

No, that's not correct because here is the problem you have, no one in this entire world can claim they are not evil or a truly good person, if you claim that essentially you are saying that you have never ever committed any sins in your entire life. We all know there is no such person that can claim that because we are all sinners, so in other words we are all evil in need of a Savior and that is where Jesus Christ comes in.

So sorry to burst your bubble but because you are not without sin, that makes you evil so then the only way to be saved is to believe in God, ask for forgiveness of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord Savior.

As for babies and children not of accountable/culpable age they go straight to heaven when they die.

 

1Co 9:17 For [SUP]G1063[/SUP] if [SUP]G1487[/SUP] I do [SUP]G4238[/SUP] this thing [SUP]G5124[/SUP] willingly, [SUP]G1635[/SUP] I have [SUP]G2192[/SUP] a reward: [SUP]G3408[/SUP] but [SUP]G1161[/SUP] if [SUP]G1487[/SUP] against my will, [SUP]G210[/SUP] a dispensation [SUP]G3622[/SUP] of the gospel is committed unto me. [SUP]G4100[/SUP]"

From the scripture above it is thought that the concept of free will was introduced into scripture. Seeing the definitions G210 and G1635 . An apostle doing the works assigned to him according to him doing that task voluntarily and being rewarded vs the apostle doing the task involuntarily.

Now if you want to argue the logical aspects, then let me recommend the following reading on the same subject:
http://www.iep.utm.edu/foreknow/#SH6a Scroll down to the section entitled "
a. The Modal Fallacy in Logical Determinism '


and

"
b. The Modal Fallacy in Epistemic Determinism "


Happy reading.

As for your mention of "the plan" .... do you KNOW what the plan is in its entirety? No? Then you cannot submit that a person is not capable of changing the plan or not when the plan is not KNOWN in its entirety.

 

Liking his writing style is not the same as agreeing with what he said. My statements did refute what AO was saying. AO is under the impression that one has to believe in God to enter Heaven. Satan believes in God and according to scripture, Satan most definitely won't be in Heaven. However, believing in Christ will gain admittance to Heaven... per the scriptures. Try peddling your wares on some other street.

 

I am not in a popularity contest. So, what the consensus of opinion is on this forum makes no difference to me. Now, you are supporting him saying that I told a lie; well by definition a liar is "one who tells lies". So, by definition and by your agreement with him, you are both calling me a liar.

 

I have no emotions about your fsm or leprechauns. However, it is apparent that you hold a disdain toward God for the things that you claim God did. Of course you do realize that in order for any truth to be in your claim that God did anything, there is an inherent admission that God exists in order to do the things that you allege that He did. God cannot not exist and do something.

 

Why do you keep flogging that dead horse? It won't get up and walk, you know. Oh wait, you do zombie voodoo .... so maybe it WILL get up and walk

 

Is that the best that you can do?

 

Didn't you like it?

 

I was actually a little disappointed... it was OK... but nowhere near the intellectual level that I would normally expect from you.

 

If Melchizedek was such a hot-shot priest why didn't he get any PR for his religion, whatever it was? He doesn't seem to have ever done anything but extort 10% of the thief Abraham's loot.

 

Good question WoG.... when you find the correct answer be sure to let everyone know. But of course when you do find that answer, make sure that you have tangible PROOF of your claim of KNOWING.

 

Biblical reference? This has been debated by Saints and 'theologians' down the centuries and no-one has ever come up with a proven truth.

 

If this ever happened, and I doubt it, Abraham did only what was the custom of the day. He took 'spoils of war'. And he didn't keep it for himself. He rescued his nephew, family and their possessions, and set free other prisoners. Recompense for the expense, loss of life etc?
this often happens even today.

 

You claim no one can claim they are without sin.
Was NOAA perfect?
So, after all that I was the one who was originally correct. I said to wanren that his heaven required passwords to get in he said no it doesn't, I said yeah you have to accept god to get in, he then said you only need to be not evil to get in. I then asked him to clarify that statement by the quote you posted above as I already knew you needed to accept God to get in according to the bible. So you don't need to correct me, I knew and stated the correct requirement according to Christianity to get in. You should be correcting them when they make statements that aren't correct not saying they are partly correct "IF" they meant this. He didn't. I was very clear that you needed to accept god to get in and he corrected me and said you only need to be not evil.
Go back and re read it and correct the theists statements. If you guys cant agree on the most remedial most asked question about Christianity, then that explains why it takes forever to get simple on point answers from this board.
This is how you guys should be answering questions:
Do you need to accept God to get into heaven according to the bible?
Theist: "YES".
To get around that you say anyone who doesn't believe in God is Evil. No they aren't.
Wan has already stated I am not evil and said you only needed to not be evil to get it in, Incorporeal said you need to believe in Jesus not god, you said you need to believe in God not jesus.
I said you needed to accept God according to your bible and was told that was not correct. (see wanrens and Incorporeals comment)
The one who is most correct if you must adhere to a belief in Heaven from my point of view is Wanren. The one who is most correct according to the Bible is you.
You need to correct wanrens statement not mine. I was clarifying his comments. Hopefully you will respond to his comment and publicly correct it so there is no confusion.
Also define culpable age and where does it say in the bible that babies and children before a certain age go straight to heaven? What if a baby dies before it is baptized?

P.S. You might want to explain to Incorporeal what the trinity is while you are at it. Based on his statements it doesn't appear he has had the concept explained to him.

 

Yes anyone atheist, Satanist, hindu, muslim, pagan, etc etc and as I have mention just remind them to ask Jesus to remember them.
[video=youtube;r6tVReXsioM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6tVReXsioM[/video]

I agree a person who claims to be good and not worship evil will naturally embrace goodness so why reject God's offer to enter Heaven?
Why be so anti Jesus Christ for being good?

 

You have kept asking the same answer and I have answered you all the time if NOT OF THIS WORLD DOES NOT MEAN SPIRIT WORLD WHAT THEN DOES IT MEAN? That is not my personal opinion in fact secular scholars would agree that heaven and hell exist in the spirit world.
So now you are saying heaven is in Jupitar? How about hell is it in the sun? Please don't stop asking or else you'll never know where heaven and hell is we already know that it is not there>>>> or here<<<< we know it is in the spirit world.
When come to winning in this discussion I would say you are at a lost not lost like you lose but at a lost and this is not an argument it is a discussion the only true winner here is God.
You are fill with so much self pride

Do you claim that perfect track record also against all atheist that they are losers against your argument that they are wrong to say there is no god, God, heaven or hell or no life after death? I will assume you bested them all because none of them seem to counter your claim congratulation!

 

My statement has not change only you have been changing my statement.
One can not be good with out rejecting evil, one can not be good with out accepting goodness. Beware of people who claim to be good well cloaked and camouflaged do not be deceived for under neath their veils are their bloodthirsty fangs.
I have already figure it out what it takes to be with God or in heaven one just have to ask God "Jesus please remember me" will you or you ready to ask Jesus Christ to remember you and to be there in Heaven when you die?
Do not be confused of your own post.
Yes cannibalism that you have openly rejected and your position is well noted in defending the evil and wicked people that God punished.
Indeed too many lunatics even to this day in fact lunatic is the political correct term they don't use evil and wicked anymore another term is terrorism.

 

The bottom line is Jesus Christ.
The only falsehood here is your lost position because you are so much full of contradictions.

 

You got it all wrong. Inc is not in cahoots with anyone he is conforming with facts and reality.

 

So if you have a greater morality what are you going to do about the poor innocent Iraqis that are being slaughtered by ISIS?
Why not at least post comments against their evil and wicked acts? It is astonishing when it is brought to light that the reason why Islam is not shrinking is because of Islamic brutal policies against any Muslims who dare to leave Islam, persecution against anyone who dare to spread Christianity or other religion, or for anyone to dare to do both they will wage a brutal war against them call Jihad.
Christianity is expanding in Africa that is why Muslims are going nuts there they are kidnapping none Muslims women because they are running out of women they are murdering everyone and anyone who would not convert.

 

Okay....so we have these two Gods fighting each other in a proxy war of brutality, and neither uses it's super omnipotent laser eyes or powerful mind control flood making ability to bring back the dead to stop their side or the other.

Perhaps they are sitting up top and betting on the game...

 

Based on that bold statement, then it must be concluded that you like all other MORTALS are just a feeble little member of mankind with no ability to stop such things because such things continue to happen in this secular world. All you can do is complain about an entity that you can neither prove nor disprove that such entity exists which makes no logical sense in relation to "I would never let an evil being slaughter lots of innocent people..." Definitively speaking, people are beings... some considered evil, some considered good (by secular standards)... and some of these beings (people) are going around slaughtering innocent people and you are doing nothing to stop such slaughtering. "never" is all inclusive.. it includes time and by virtue of time it includes all circumstances.

 

It is thought, the concept? Not to definitive, is it.

We are not talking a person. We are talking entity, omni everything. There would be no need of changing anything for all is known and in the power of said entity.
Matters not if you, I, or anyone else knows the plan, does it.

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Those were not my wares, they were of the puppet wanren. It's doing the peddling.

 

not of this world means not of this world . Mars for example. You never pointed out where in the bible it says sphere. did you make that up or are you atill looking for the reference?

 

falsehoods? I was the one who got it right. Mit even confirmed it. Now you agree with the statement that previously did not. You have to accept god to get into your heaven. I said that before and you corrected me and said you just needed to be not evil. Now you back pedal and spout the bottom line is jesus christ. Isnt god a trinity according to christians?