Part 21 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

perhaps we don't understand 'what is spirit world'. so, since you would need to know quite a bit about it to recognise that we don't understand it, you can tell us all the things we're missing! start with where the spirit world is, what it's made of, how big it is, if it has temperature, if it has landscape, how it's managed, and by whom, what the 'rules' are, etc etc.

 

oh no need for that. as YOU said, all that's required is to be good. so they can stay atheists or pagans or hindus or whatever.

looks like your god isn't the egomaniac we thought he was ... nice !

 

Not necessarily according to anyone's judgment. Even some scientists, knowing the dangers of human experimentation will risk the lives of people to make their discoveries. Sometimes, those scientists will end up killing otherwise innocent people for the sake of discovery. Then there are world leaders who cause more innocent lives to be sacrificed for the benefit of who???? Oh yes.. for the benefit of elitists who control the countries and the economy. So much for secular government.

 

no, WanRen contradicted himself!

contradictions are your lot, when you engage in falsehoods. his determination to pretend to know, when he clearly doesn't (since no one does), means he's weaving very tangled webs. he first stated clearly that no belief is needed to enter heaven, just goodness. when he was called on this, he instantly reverted to belief being essential.

 

so god didn't mind all that collateral damage, as long as his own special favourite was safe? nice.

 

LOL. Nice baiting bruh. Aint gonna work. I much prefer you get back on topic and answer our questions in a respectful manner. The more you don't the more you prove exactly what theists are really all about. Whats the matter is your belief so rife with unexplainable contradictions that you cant handle answering the tough questions? You can feel free to get back on topic anytime and answer some god stuff or keep squirming and avoiding the fact that you and wan disagree. Either way, I am completely amused.
To put it in perspective, we have basically asked what is required to get into your heaven, and you guys literally cant agree on what the correct answer is. Mitt is MIA and you and wan are still trying to figure out one of the most remedial questions you can possibly ask a theist.

 

The Bible says the Jesus went to hell. I'll bet that thief was really ticked off when he found himself there instead of in the reputed paradise.

 

Anyone who is not evil can go to Heaven.
If they do not accept goodness then they are not good.
I will not change my statement anyone who is good and not evil can go to Heaven.
If they reject goodness to enter Heaven then from their own free will they chose not to enter Heaven.

 

Yes the Bible is correct Jesus went to hell and came back because only God can go anywhere. In fact one of the theological theory is that the reason Jesus went to hell is to free all the souls that Satan has tricked into.
You lose your bet because that thief who ask God to remember him is with God in Heaven.
[video=youtube;RGB2E0NzO2A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGB2E0NzO2A[/video]

 

Did you ever hear of 'opinion'? Seemingly, if you recognize that he cannot prove his claim, then you logically should consider that what he is saying is opinion or assumption or presumption... things that are needful of 'proof'.

Now you are wanting to say that contradictions are my lot. Show the contradictions which amount to my 'lot'. If there is a no show on your part of such contradictions, then your claims would fall into the same category of that which you accuse WanRen. Now bear in mind, what contradiction means:
"contradiction (ˌkɒntrəˈdɪkʃən) n1. the act of going against; opposition; denial
2. a declaration of the opposite or contrary
3. a statement that is at variance with itself (often in the phrase a contradiction in terms)
4. conflict or inconsistency, as between events, qualities, etc
5. a person or thing containing conflicting qualities
6. (Logic) logic a statement that is false under all circumstances; necessary falsehood"

Now which of those definitions are you desiring to use?

 

I can see you don't bother to read the verses ok here is the full verse John 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."
There is your words and phrase "not of this world" which would clearly mean that Heaven is not here or there it is in the spirit world.
Yes I said Heaven is in the spirit world, sphere or another dimension nothing to be confused about because I clearly said it.
As I have pointed out point by point the Bible said 'My Kingdom is not of this world" which mean Heaven is in the spirit world or another sphere or another dimension.
My interpretation is based on the Bible and the Bible is very clear Heaven is not in this world that would mean it is in the spiritual world.

One big consolation that I am very pleased to see is that you recognize the existence of Heaven and that you don't want to be in Hell.
Don't trouble yourself heaven will be there when your life here on earth ends but it is up to you to decide whether to accept God's offer to enter heaven or not I hope that by now you would have change your mind all indication seem to indicate that you have change your mind that you do want to accept God's offer to enter Heaven remember Jesus remember's you.

 

That is what is implied. Now.... does that offend you? Does it hurt your feelings? Does it make you angry? Are you jealous that you possibly are not one of his own special favorites?

 

On the contrary you are not meeting the parameters of science or your own questions my interpretation is base on scientific data and discoveries. What make you think that the scientist were wrong about evolution, about the sudden extinction of dinosaurs or about global climate change? Is there something you know that they don't?

Be noted that I did answered your questions now you need to answer your own questions.

 

Yes! Lets get back in perspective. Are you calling me a liar? You never did confirm or deny that claim that a lie was told. Yes or No are you calling me a liar? Now that is what is amusing... you are afraid to answer that simple little question.

Does it make any difference whether or not we agree on that topic? Do you wholeheartedly agree on everything that every other non-theists claims on this forum? Wow! You don't... then that puts you and others in disagreement therefore, your beliefs in Atheism is faulty in comparison to those that you disagree with.

 

right, so it's as we talked about earlier. anyone, atheist, Satanist, hindu, muslim, pagan, etc etc can enter heaven so long as they're good and not evil.

meantime, whether someone 'rejects goodness' seems irrelevant given your entry criteria. especially since a good person will naturally not reject goodness (whatever that actually means).

 

so, rather than confront the awful reality of worshipping a god who would do such a thing, you think that I ought to feel like a bad guy for asking about it?

you're in deep, bud.

 

"Awful reality"? Gee isn't that rather presumptuous of you? Are you suggesting that you are greater in knowledge and morality than God? Personally I don't care how you 'feel' about it. I was merely curious as to whether or not such a thing would make you angry, or hurt your feelings, or make you jealous or even offend you. Seemingly you are not able to answer those direct questions which require nothing more than a "yes" or "no" answer.

 

Who ever said anyone has free will? What bible verse states it? I, you, anyone, can change anything at anytime. But we can't change from what is known, the plan.

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Sorry. You post what he said as wrong yet again. Want to try again? The post is for all to see.
If your buddy is wrong, let him know. I'm only restating what your buddy posted.

 

Where does it say its a sphere and located in another dimension? Oh wait I already asked you that like 8 times now. I even bulleted it last post.
Not of this world DOES NOT MEAN SPIRIT WORLD. That is your personal interpretation until you show me where it says spirit world.
Not of this world could also mean its on Jupiter. As I told you that was the last time I would ask. You lost that argument and I have a perfect win track record thus far.

 

Yeah it does make a difference. I find it interesting that two theists cant answer the most remedial question that can possibly be asked about Christianity.
Your statement was a lie. Your statement can be reviewed by all readers to see for themselves. I cant call you a liar as that would be a personal attack and against forum rules. I like to abide by the forum guidelines because I find the moderators here extremely fair and that is a rare thing on these types of forums. Are you saying your statement is still accurate as it was written in lieu of the fact what you just wrote above?
Doesn't the devil speak with a forked tongue though?

 

So you do change your statement. Now one has to accept goodness as well as not be evil.
When you figure out what it takes for one to get to heaven, maybe then you can revisit this. For now, you change you mind with every post. You are one confused poster, maybe you should figure out your belief before answering any more questions.
Afterall, you do think there was world wide cannibalism of every child, baby, and fetus at noah's time.
Lunatics I tell ya.

 

Her ya go buddy. In a nutshell.
AlphaOmega said in reference to getting into christian heaven
"You have to say you accept your god or you cant get in"
Wanren said
"We can be in Heaven as long as we are not evil in fact if you are a good person as you have claim you are you too will be welcome in Heaven "
AlphaOmega said
"SOOOO we can now get into your heaven without accepting your god or jesus as long as we are not evil is that correct?"
Incorporeal said
"Your question creates a contradiction. God is the judge of what or who is evil. Therefore, if a person denies Christ, then Christ will deny that persons privilege of passing through those pearly gates"
Alphaomega said
"You and wan are now in disagreement. Non beleif doesnt make you evil and wan says you dont have to accept god to get in, you just have to be not evil according to wan. "
Incorporeal said
"WanRen and I are both correct. You don't have to accept God, you have to accept Christ"
AlphaOmega said
Mod edit,,flounder
As illustrated above you and wan are not both correct. You both have conflicting answers to the same question. As noted above I also said god or Jesus. If there are two conflicting answers to the same biblical question, then that itself proves the bible is false.

 

Every reader here seen you did not refute his statement. You like many of his statements, even the cannibalism theory. So you have no leg to stand on. You are in cahoots with the statement.

 

It would be against the TOS to do that. So calling you a liar isn't gonna happen. But if you think that is happening, now it seems by more than 1. Well, time to look in the mirror.

 

apparently, I am greater in morality than your god. I would never let an evil being slaughter lots of innocent people, right under my nose, as long my own personal favourites were safe. and yes, AWFUL. A.W.F.U.L. if you think it ain't, then I submit that your moral compass is shot.

feelings? why sure ... I have the same wild emotions about your god as you do about the flying spaghetti monster, or leprechauns.