Part 22 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Margot2

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    Modern medicine is hardly a fairy tale.
     
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    you are right... it is more like witch craft or other forms of occultism wherein humans are used as lab rats for the purpose of testing/evaluating pharmaceuticals... quite the use of the scientific method.
     
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    How old are you???
     
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    You wanting to pry into my personal life now? What would be the relevance in using my personal information?
     
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    The Bible (NT) includes Jews and Christians in heaven, the same heaven.

    If you understood English this is what Margot is saying. The two question remarks indicate her derision at your remarks. There is no Jewish heaven and Christian heaven, they are the same. Look at your Bible.
     
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    Maturity would come into question based on your remarks about medicine.
     
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    So you're a some kind of radical Christian Scientist....you use no medical means to allieve your ailments or your sicknesses?

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    I think that's unfaiar, Margot.....a fully adult person can hold just as extreme or even baseless viewpoints as a teenager or youth.
     
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    Alright, alright... I am thinking immature or senile or just uneducated.
     
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    But consider this....we now have Incorporeal on record being dubious of both science AND medicine. And yet, later on, if called on it...he will deny that he is dubious of either.

    Thus one of the reasons he so rarely states his opinions......people might REMEMBER them. :)
     
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    Of course I do. For headaches and other pains, I use the bark of a willow tree. It contains the main ingredient used in the making of common pain relievers such as Asprin. For the emphysema which I have, I use Dog Fennel or Mayweed.. already known to relieve such bronchial conditions. Why pay the pharmaceutical companies for things that God has already provided? See here: http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/m/maywee26.html#med That publisher also recommends other source material for study and comparison.


    And sometimes information that is more valuable than that offered by "a fully adult person".
     
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    Perhaps you could answer the question without all the rubbish. How could Paul deny the above in front of his eyes. The above are all facts, or do you deny the lame are made to walk, sick rise from their beds etc etc. by modern medicine. If it were explained to Paul that visions might be explained, that Mohammed had a VISION just as he did, and that the vision of Mohammed led to a religion to equal Christianity. What would he have written.
    Christianity is changing, the Bible is being proved errant. Poor Paul would have had a hard time of it today.
    Ask Mitt, Ask yourself, Ask WarRen
     
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    Just reading the first two sentences of the above text causes me to exercise a little compassion. Perhaps you might want to re-read those two sentences as they appear on your finished product and possibly consider rephrasing what you have stated.
     
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    No. What I'm saying is that unless both people can agree that they shared the same personal experience, their opinions remain just that, opinions, not facts.
     
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    Wireless telecommunications can be easily and objectively demonstrated, unlike any experience with a God.
     
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    Opinions as viewed by the one person, but still fact as viewed by the other.
     
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    Which one?
     
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    Take your pick.
     
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    And if you have acute appendicitis, peritonitis you use a butchers knife, and catgut?
    Without medicine you probably wouldn't be here. Vaccinations at birth, innoculations keep you alive. And I don't necessarily mean to you. The person next to you on the public service vehicle, in the queue, in a crowd doesn't have a disease to pass on to you because they have been vaccinated etc. In all our lives medicine is involved. Medicine from the Pharmaceutical companies you deride. Look at the epidemics in countries not as lucky as ours.
    Let's all hope you don't have a GREENSTICK fracture, or catch leprosy, and need the produce of these companies.
     
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    Not really. If you don't understand them so be it.
     
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    Opinions only become fact when they agree with other opinions. Ask two people to count some objects. One says there are 50, the other says there are 51. Which one is fact?
     
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    Well hopefully you never need your gall bladder or appendix removed... or cataract surgery.
     
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    Right you are....

    Consider smallpox, yellow fever, cholera, polio and such.

    In 1950 98% of the children in the Eastern province under two had malaria............. until the oil company set up an eradication program and gave out mosquito netting.
     
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    Have you ever taken a manufactured pharmaceutical?

    BTW, the term "modern medicine" covers more than just pharmaceuticals.....do you wish to "revise and extend" your remarks to incorporate things like anesthetics, vaccines, anti-biotics, MRIs, implants, transplants, etc.?
     
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    I EXPECT that Incorporeal will suddenly develop a more "friendly" view of SOME aspects of "modern medicine"....like those you mentioned and those I mentioned.

    He may chew willow bark for a headache.....but I have a feeling if exposed to Ebola, he wouldn't be gnawing on ginseng and mudwort to "cure" it..... and if he needed his appendix out he wouldn't go to the local barber and bite down on a stick while he was sliced open by Floyd the Barber.
     
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    And I am answering you directly, as an observant Jew which according to his Judaism faith but does NOT believe in Jesus nor accepts him will not go to the Christian Heaven or Hell. He will however probably qualify to go to his Judaism heaven or hell.
    How can an atheist, agnostic or Judaism go to Christian heaven or hell if they don't accept Jesus Christ?
    How can a Christian go to their heaven or hell if they don't accept Judaism or agnostic beliefs? No, Christians will not go to Judaism heaven or hell.
     
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