Part 22 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Do you really think that Gentiles are going to get into the giant gaudy bejeweled golden cube called New Jerusalem? There are no gates for Gentiles to use to enter into it.

 

When the New Jerusalem arrived during the 1000 year reign of Jesus, before the sole singular one universal Christianity existed prior to Greek Orthodoxy starting up,...
... everyone in Universal Christianity had to live in it:




Rev. 21:16 And (Zion: [Ps 87:3]), the "city" (of this new bible paradigm), lieth foursquare, (as does the Breastplate of Judgement), and the length is as large as the breadth, (a square):
and he measured (in the scripture) the "city" (shaped like a tabernacle, home of the new bible paradigm), with the reed (of a geometry), twelve thousand furlongs, (1500 miles long).
The LENGTH (1500 miles long) and the BREADTH (1500 miles long) and the HEIGHT (1500 miles long) of it are equal, (the cubic box of the new paradigm, like unto the shape of both the Most Holy Place and Kaaba).

 

So you have already made the trip and KNOW that to be tangibly true?

 

I wonder what Paul would write today if he had the knowledge and science that we have?

 

I get the impression that you may be thinking that he would write something different than what he wrote during his time. If my impression is correct, then why would you think that he would write something different?

 

What exactly is "Judaism heaven"?

 

MittRyan?

I'm still waiting on a clarification and answer to my question-


Looking ONLY at observant Jews who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, but keep to the Torah....such as those who form Judaism across the world and in Israel today.

Do they go to Heaven or Hell?



Or is my question TOO "tough"?

 

Judaism heaven??? You should quit while you're ahead.

 

Wait...wait....I wanna see where he goes with this. (I'm hoping it's as good as "baby cannibalism before the Flood" )

 

Suppose he could read Freuds interpretations of his - what is called - Dream of Irma. Or the many other modern explanations of dreams and visions. If he could see the errors of scripture. If he could compare his vision with that of Mohammed. If he could see the lame made to walk, sick rise from their beds, lunatics cured or controlled - by modern medicines. What if he could look back and see the actions of the Church.

 

How is trying to get clarification pitting against each other? BTW - it is not pitting christians against each other if one isn't a christian.

There should be a debate going on, is jesus God, or is he The son of God, or A son of God. Don't you think that is an important point?

 

Did Abraham go to heaven???
What about Isaac?

Of course they went to heaven.
They believed in Truth.

Truth is The Christ.
Truth is the light into the future Reality.
The Jews who believed this were saved long before 32AD.


Christ said, "Before Abraham, I am."

 

... but there is the world of the mind, right?

This is like Eden, a fenced off place where people can introvert and experience a life within.

"The kingdom of God is within."

 

WarRens never been ahead, unless it was down the wrong road. And reading that last post he's heading that way again.

 

Ahhhh ... if only this were true.

Countless people ask Jesus for things every day and they are not given. They ask Jesus for help to find things but those things are not found.

You can prove this to yourself.

You can ask Jesus to give you the wisdom to make a coherent argument.

 

Judaism heaven, hell and after life is their understanding of what it is based on their interpretation and based on what was presented by trevorw according to Judaism the religion.
Just like atheist, agnostics and Muslims have their own heaven, hell and after life concept so do Judaism.

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Why don't you accept what was presented by trevorw on Judaism concept of heaven, hell and after life?

 

Atheist believe there is heaven, hell and after life agnostics do too so are you saying that everyone except you are not truthful about the reality of life after death about heaven and hell?
Have you ask Jesus for anything?
I have prayed many times and continue to do so to Jesus to give them the Serenity to accept the things they can not change, the Courage to change the things they can and the Wisdom to know the difference, amen

 

You should share and explain to them what Judaism heaven is you are in a better position than I am.

 

Is there actually a SEPARATE Heaven for Jews.....or do they get into the same Heaven with Christians?

 

How do you think there was a worldwide flood when ice cores from the Arctic show no such thing during the entire time that humans have existed?

 

Paul just like today's many scientist will write that all living things originated from one source God.
Human are not apes and apes are not humans all creatures were created and evolved according to their own kind.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God the Redeemer, the Messiah and He is God based on scientific discoveries that only God is capable of making the blind see, resurrecting the dead, healing lepers, feeding the multitude, enduring excruciating torture and crucifixion but most of all resurrecting himself from the dead and enlightening his Apostles and all Christians the light of the Holy Spirit to never fear evil.

 

I can only speak on Christian point of view and that is there is only one Heaven and Hell and Jews will go to the same heaven or hell with Christians and everybody else. For Judaism concept of heaven or hell best ask trevorw "Is there actually a SEPARATE Heaven for Jews.....or do they get into the same Heaven with Christians"?

 

I'm asking you and trying to figure out what the heck you're talking about ......let's go back-


Does an observant Jew who lives and dies as an observant Jew, which according to his faith means he does NOT believe Jesus was the Messiah nor "accepts him" as such....

go to Heaven or Hell?

 

Many people pray to Jesus .... their prayers are not answered in many cases. I prayed for next week lottery numbers ... no such luck.

What does any of this have to do with the Jews having to ask Jesus in order to get into heaven.

Hopefully your prayers for a coherent argument have been answered.

In the meantime I would direct you to the Romans ( should be in the first couple of chapters) where Paul claims that one does not need to know Jesus to get into heaven and in particular the Jews.

I would also direct you the Matt 5-7 as this entire sermon (Sermon on the Mount) is devoted to what it takes to get into heaven.

In part of the summary of Jesus says Matt 7

As oppose to your passage (ask and it will be given) which is ambiguous and without context (to which you added your own meaning)... this passage is extremely specific.

Pray all you want and call on the Lords name. That is not what get's you into heaven.

What gets you in the door is "Only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven"

Your mission , should you choose to accept it, is to figure out what the will of the Father is. Hint (Matt 5-7 details what the Father's will is)

 

"What if", "Suppose"???? Hello fantasy land. Don't you see the irony of your statements? Some complain about the 'Bible' being a fantasy, fairy tale: And then along comes Trevor with a whole new set of such tales in the form of an innocent imaginary wondering.