Part 22 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

And then I ask you if there are separate Heavens for Christians and Jews....and you deny that.....and contradict what you just posted indicating that there WERE separate Heavens. Right?

How about this for a theory, WR.....same for MittRyan too......you can't give a direct answer to that question I asked.....because it would be embarrasing for you.


If you say "Yes, Jews get into Heaven"....it contradicts your Christian dogma that "None come to the Father, but by me". Since Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah, that wouldn't apply and you'd be contradicting your own beliefs.

But, if you say "No, Jews go to Hell".....it means that God sends his "Chosen People" to Hell....and further you alienate a religious/political ally in Biblical Abrahamic religion (Jews and Christians).


Therefore you refuse to give a straight answer, seeing the box it would put you in.

If I'm wrong.....give me a ONE WORD ANSWER....

Do observant Jews who faithfully follow Judaism as is practiced world-wide....go to

A. Heaven?

B. Hell?

 

Steady on. That needs a straight answer.

 

Many people have prayed to Jesus specially those in dead bed and their prayers were answered Rest in Peace
Pray more for a lottery win you'll never know? and if you do win will you remember Jesus?
Yes my prayers have been answers that is why I am here sharing the truth.
Matt 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!
This mean that one has to be sincere in asking God not just mere asking for the sake of asking.
In my passage the criminal was sincere in asking Jesus and Jesus answered:
Luke 23:
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[a]”
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

I guess you do have your own concept as to how to be in heaven.
And what is the will of the Father? is it the Bible not just what is mention in Matt 5 and 7

 

Yes but not Judaism.
If you understood well your own native language Margot and you are saying that Judaism have their own concept of heaven and hell that is different from the Christian concept. If there is no Jewish heaven or hell then what is the 3 heaven all about? Please enlighten us I didn't even know that their souls can be destroyed does this mean they ceased to exist forever and ever?

Is this how a soul is destroyed?
[video=youtube;Gkrw_7BXSHg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkrw_7BXSHg[/video]

 

Interesting. One of the contributory factors to the death of Beethoven. Salicin.

 

How can one experienced wireless telecommunication without a solid instrument relating to enhancing the wireless waves?
The radios, the antennas, the satellites created by man to objectively demonstrate the existence of invisible wireless waves. Human soul created by God within human body is our link to God and that link has been clearly demonstrated objectively to experience God and his existence to some it is called enlightenment to others is it sainthood.

 

Stop putting this on other people and give us YOUR opinion, WanRen.

IN YOUR OPINION or BELIEF-

1. Is there a "separate Heaven" for Jews and Christians? Yes or No?

2. If not, do Jews go to Christian Heaven? Yes or No?

 

Does this mean then since that opinions of theists that accounts for 75 -80% of this worlds population is the true fact and that opinions of atheist which accounts only about 25 maybe 35% is not factual?
If you only have two people then it will be 50 /50 if you have three then the third person will be the tie breaker and if the third person is biased then you'll have failure of facts.

 

Have you considered that the Jewish view of heaven might be the right one. After all the Catholic Church you so ardently follow talks of Purgatory, and Hell, obviously taken from the Jewish idea, as is much of their ritual. The Jewish heaven is the same as the Christian heaven. The Talmud tells us that all Jews share in heaven, but there are differences between the share of the truly righteous Jew and the ordinary Jew.

Neither Jew, nor Christian, nor Moslem or any religion KNOWS what heaven is, if there is one. The Christian belief of eternal praise to God and eternal bliss has no real meaning. The JW's have a better idea. A new heaven and earth where people work for each other and enjoy peace and happiness. As I say, the Jews live for TODAY to help each other. If they do this they will attain what is waiting them.
This is not salvation by works. What they do is out of love and concern for each other, rather than duty.

Can't be bothered with the video. If there is a soul no-one knows how it can be destroyed.

 

As the pages unfold, just to make sure MittRyan doesn't miss it....asking him again for clarification-

MR.....does an observant Jew who follows the tenets of Judaism, but does NOT believe Jesus is the Messiah, go to Heaven or Hell?

 

The question was "What is the will of the Father" according to Jesus. Not the made up meaning according to WanRen.

Your mission is to give what Jesus meant as was the primary topic of his sermon which spans two chapters. Nowhere in that sermon does it say what you have claimed.

 

There is only one heaven.

The kingdom of heaven is within.
It you accept Truth as law you will work to exercise, Reality becomes material in your life, and you will live sanely.

Truth is the image of the almighty Reality which the Jewish bible sees as the Creator of the real world.

 

Yes, if he believe truth is the law he obeys, (like Abraham and Isaac, etc),... he, too, will be sanely in the kingdom of God.

 

Christ said, "The kingdom of God is within."

Sanity demands we live in Reality.
This ONLY possible if you see the truth and abide by it.

hence, heaven is a world of sanity inside your mind.

 

When has a soul ever been objectively demonstrated, much less the God that supposedly created it?

Since the opinions of all those theists (Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, etc.) don't actually agree, I think we're still left with just opinions.

 

Why are you so concerned about others when you should be concerned about yourself first. Where do you suppose you will go if say you died tonight...say by a tragic accident you didn't see coming?

Go back to my initial response to your question back on pg. 1 of this thread. It's rather plain to see I did answer your question...what more clarification do you need? I already had given you the Christian belief on how one attains salvation.

Look I'll make it easy for you, below is that quote of what I said:

Why do you spew out falsehoods? Where have I claimed to say that I was given authority by God Himself to answer questions concerning Christianity? I have never made such a claim/statement. Please present a quote of mine where I made such a statement.

If you can't produce that quote of mine, we can conclude you have made a false statement perhaps deliberately or misinterpreted another quote of mine. This is not the first time I am exposing a false statement by you.

 

What does maturity have to do with my remarks, and your questions of which the relevance has still not been explained?

 

I have thoroughly read the true story of Noah's Flood in which God told us He flooded the entire earth to punish all the wicked sinful people but spared Noah and his family of 8 along with pairs of animals and I have never in my life considered the Black Sea coast to be the whole world...lol

Sorry but that's just a theory, speculation, guesswork to say that a localized flood inspired the biblical story of Noah's ark.

From the Christian perspective, the Great Flood was a real-life historical event and it wasn't at all a localized flood but rather a devastating global world-wide flood.

 

Complex questions are fun to answer. Not to mention that they show a logical fallacy on your part.

No! I am not "some kind of radical Christian scientist" and "no" I don't use any pharmaceutical manufactured by the pharmaceutical industry.

A fully adult person would also be more careful in his/her spelling. "unfaiar"???? Even grade school children are corrected on their spelling errors.

 

Why don't you point that out to one of your non-theist co-members who claims that there is no gate for the non-Jewish people to enter Heaven?

 

1. I am sure the Jewish heaven can not be the right one specially after you explain that there are three heaven and the soul can be destroyed.
2. The CC follows the original Jewish message from God to Abraham then Jesus Christ.
3. Righteous and ordinary Jews? how about the evil Jews? Do you consider the Pharisees righteous Jews?
Clearly from your explanation of Judaism it is evident that they change God's original revelation to suite their own and when Jesus try to correct them they have him crucified.

The video kind'd share your view as to how souls can be destroyed and how your explanation of Judaism seem'e to have strong influence from Greek and Mesopotamia mythologies. Hoe Zeus destroyed the immortal soul of Apollo and that gods are not immortals but are like humans subject to death and emotions.
[video=youtube;NXtHRPAvvDc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXtHRPAvvDc[/video]

 

Catgut and a butcher knife is not going to do anything for appendicitis. Go back to med school.

Like I had any choice when I was a child? Be serious.

I do seriously say that your grammar has a lot to be desired. Your statement above makes no sense as it is written.

Blanket statement does not cut the mustard. Communicable diseases can be present in the scenarios that you suggested in spite of inoculations.

Look at the widespread placement of HIV or common varieties of Influenza within this country and other countries. And oh my goodness... a greater number of the citizens (especially of this country) are vaccinated for Influenza... But there is no vaccination for HIV.

If all else fails: Use a good amount of 150 proof grain alcohol (home made of course) to ease the pain: followed up by pulling the splintered bone back into place; using safety pins (if nothing else is available to stitch up the open wound... hoping that the splintered bone did not cut any arteries): and follow up with a good portion of sulfur or gun powder to act as a disinfectant. If the sulfur or gun powder is not available then a poltice made from clean, lush yard grass (greatly pulverized) will also kill an infection as well as act as an astringent. In the olden days, cobwebs were also used to aid in the restraining of blood flow. BTW: Let us not forget to place a homemade splint to the affected area.

 

I answer you with Biblical verses and you said it is according to me? And now you are asking for my personal view on what Jesus meant? Simple Jesus meant be sincere to God not just call His name be sincere.

Matt 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!
This mean that one has to be sincere in asking God not just mere asking for the sake of asking.
In my passage the criminal was sincere in asking Jesus and Jesus answered:
Luke 23:
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[a]”
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

 

No need to revise anything. If the home remedies don't work, then prayer does. I have emphysema. Do I go to the doctor about it? No! Do I take any cross the counter or prescription drugs for it? No! I have not had any implants or transplants, nor do I require any MRI's. You see, I am of the full conviction that I am not going to die until such time as the good Lord pushes that expiration button with my name on it. Until then, I will continue in His service and do my absolute level best to abide by His desires. Doing so, tends to keep me away from the quacks who admit that they DON'T even KNOW what causes cancer (of any variety).

Once again... As a child I had no choice in the matter.

 

The only "flood" which we KNOW killed all mankind, except for the three racial stocks, (HAM, SHEM, JAPHETH), was when our own species "flooded" out-of-Africa 40,000 "days and nights" ago.