Please explain the Coronavirus. Is it that deadly or not?

We're seeing cases of cancer surgery being put off.

And, hospitals are emptying beds in order to handle COVID19 influx. Seattle is putting off all surgeries that can be delayed.

Let's remember that experts say we are NOT yet at the point of most exposures yet - even if everyone follows reccommendations.

Having hospitals totally full would be an Italy sized disaster. Not being there yet doesn't mean we're OK.

 

It is less deadly than the flu but is made by Chinese or USA gov... it is not the virus itself that is dangerous but the deep state

 

It's been here for at least 46 days, spreading exponentially. It is everywhere now. There has to be millions infected. No way around it. The hospitals are not stacking up.

 

This post and posts like it are not going to age well.

 

You think there aren't millions infected with virus across the country?

 

It’s not that deadly and Trump is doing amazing work preventing it from spreading

 

I have no idea and neither do you. Your country has been painfully slow in understanding the necessity to test for the disease.
No healthcare system in the world has the spare capacity needed to cope with a pandemic though and in a month's time when the US is overwhelmed your previous post will be shown to not have aged well.

 

You dont get a global pandemic without tens of millions infected.

 

I don't think anyone can stop the spread to be honest. But there are no doubt tens of millions infected against about 7000 deaths, mostly in the aged sick and frail population

 

I gave multiple cites strongly disputing your contention.

And, you have cited NOTHING on the subject.

 

Cities disputing what?
What are total number of documented cases?

 

Is that the acceptable number of people who you are prepared to let die in order to save the economy then? So long as it's less than 80k everything is an overreaction?

 

Do you believe that the measures being taken will not save lives?
How much is a life worth?

 

It's not a fair question.
These are going to be deaths on top of the usual flu deaths not instead of them.
No one can even predict how many deaths will result from CV19.
If the priority should be the economy then how many lives should we be prepared to risk in order to save it?

 

Which flu do you get your numbers from, the ones that have become common or the odd new one that crops up from time to time? This is a new cold virus.

 

It would be a deadly virus if it killed healthy people. That appears not to be the case. Some die from complications generated by the virus but it is not accurate to call it a deadly virus. As an example, it is a pulmonary virus. It makes it hard for people to breathe regularly. A patient with emphysema, for instance, could die from the emphysema because the virus affected the patient's lung function that is already compromised. Dangerous? Sure for some people. But not deadly in the general sense.

I'm 75 years old. I have heart disease, cancer in remission and poor kidney function. Next week I'm getting surgery for an aortic aneurysm. I'm not worried about the corona virus at all. I have plenty of other things I could worry about if I were the worrying type. The hysteria is from people who really have nothing to worry about. Follow the advice provided by the medical community and go on with life.

 

There is a vaccine for the flu. There is no reason for 80,000 people to die from the flu each year. The figure here in the UK is far lower even allowing for population sizes as we vaccinate everyone over 60 who wants it free of charge.
There is no vaccine for CV19 yet and there is no idea how many it will kill before it's over.
The comparison between the two illnesses is disingenuous. I might as well compare CV19 deaths to gun deaths or car crashes.
The point is that governments around the world have been advised that this is dangerous enough to take drastic measures which will have serious economic consequences <Rule 2>

 

This is all very confusing, and I don't make the claim that I am right. I am asserting that covid-19 is a new virus for a very old disease -- the common cold. I am suggesting that the numbers in the U.S., which you ignored, bear me out. So do the numbers in Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, and Japan.

This began three months ago in January. According to the CDC, in a country with 327 million people, there are today 4226 cases and 75 deaths. Those numbers have a very close resemblance to the common cold. Cases in U.S. | CDC

It is interesting that those who disagree with my suppositions avoid those numbers and duration and go straight to Italy, the absolute worst case scenario.

Naysayers, which would include you and the government, use the worst example, Italy, and we have no idea what went on in Italy before all this began. We do know Italy has the oldest population in Europe. Maybe Italy grouped all the sick, old people together and the contagious virus went quickly from one oldie to another oldie. I don't know.

In Italy, a country with one of the world’s oldest populations, a March 4 analysis by the national health institute found that of the 105 patients who died from the virus, the average age was 81. This put a 20-year gap between the average age of people who tested positive for the virus and the deceased.

Coronavirus and age: Why Covid-19 is so dangerous for older adults - Vox

All I am doing is asking if the cure is worst than the disease because the repercussions of the cure are horrendous, loss of all diversionary entertainment, loss of retirement savings, loss of investments, loss of jobs, and recession.

All because of a disease that bears a strong resemblance to the common cold.

I am rather certain that if the U.S. government provided the statistics of the rhinovirus (the common cold) last year, those statistics would be similar to covid-19 today.

 

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

 

The big issues had to do with payroll, cash registers, credit cards, business communications (such as order processing), federal, state and local taxes, billing systems, etc.

And, every business needed to make assessments and be prepared. Many of these businesses depended on legacy software that was no longer even being sold - meaning that asking for an update was not possible.