Poll: 47% of Americans blame Trump for government shutdown

He said he would take responsibility for the shutdown. Surprise, surprise he lied again.

 

and if your hero traitor Republican Bush hadn't gotten us into the war, ISIS wouldn't be a blip on the screen

 

Bush is the founder of ISIS.

 

If Bush (43) went to war with Reagan's military like his father Bush (41) did the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 would have been a success, the same Iraq Liberation Act that Democrats supported.

Short term memory loss ?
Before 9/11/01 the most evil man in the world since Hitler and Stalin was Saddam Hussein.

The Iraq war was poorly executed and the Powell Doctrine specifically says that you don't go to war with the Clinton military.

 

....no, he has not. Thats not even remotely true. Just compared to Obama, he is about 50% lower.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

 

Morons and Trolls

 

New claims are not able to be processed during a shutdown. For a further reading of how the shutdown affects SS benefits, you can see here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresa...utdown-can-still-damage-program/#7a7920ff77a7

 

Actually, in a very real way, you are right! Because another thing I've noticed in dealing with nearly all government civil servants is that they must operate within the tightest, most rigidly-enforced "politically-correct" protocols governing speech and behavior of anyone! No wonder that nearly every Federal Government Invitation-For-Bid or Request-For-Proposal is accompanied by an inch-thick accompanying set of 'boiler-plate' rules and regs.... I am being too harsh on the poor 'functionaries' who are required to 'dance this dance'....

Perhaps what we see in many of them, then, is that truly pitiable, lamentable development where, like the fictional "Winston" in Orwell's masterpiece, "1984", poor Winston learns to "love Big Brother'.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother”

 

You are correct, and thanks for the helpful link! https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresa...utdown-can-still-damage-program/#3d0fc44c77a7

Here is a key extract from the news at that link --

"The ongoing government shutdown that began on December 21 is affecting many programs, but it doesn't affect mandatory, entitlement, nondiscretionary spending including all tax breaks, Medicare and Social Security.

That's a good thing for the elderly and for the economy, since over half of seniors depend on Social Security for most of their income and Social Security constitutes over 90% of household income for one-fifth of seniors. That financial dependence is essential when considering the Social Security program's financial and political stability.

Although checks are being sent, many other services are limited or stopped altogether. Social Security offices are providing less than full services due to the shutdown, so new beneficiaries may have to wait to sign up, creating some anxiety and a less customer-friendly agency."

 

An online poll? ZERO credibility...

 

This is nonsense.

The Iraq Liberation Act was a Gingrich inspired gimmick, and a way to put Ahmed Chalabi on the Defense Department's payroll. (indeed, wags at the time, called it the Chalibi Employment Act).

And blaming the military or military spending on the fact that George W's war was ill concieved, rushed into and bungled from the start is nonsense.

In fact, Swartzkopf, Powell and George HW Bush spent a year planning the Gulf War, assembling a real coalition, and moving forces into place, and getting UN approval before starting a war that lasted seven months.

Unlike Rumsfeld and Cheney, who though that success pointed to easy victory. Bush's case for war was widely recognized to be bogus, which is why he could not build either a coalition or obtain ultimate UN approval. He also couldn't secure allies and jumping off points in the Middle East either, and had to rework the otherwise threadbare battle plan at the last minute.

Everything George HW Bush's team did right, his son's teams either did wrong or tossed aside.

"Winning" in Iraq was never a question of whether we had enough equipment or men. The reality is the Rumsfeld and Cheney were trapped by their own predictions that the war would be quick and self financing. And, since Bush had just enacted a deficit exploding tax cut (which immediately erased the government surpus), they didn't want to appear as though they were pouring money into a war taht they said would be quick and cheap. (even though they shipped cash into Iraq in giant pallets of cash, much of which disappeared or disappeared into the pockets of no bid military contractors who sprung up to profit from being friends of the Administration. None the less, the number of troops used for the invastion of Iraq in 2003, was a fraction of the forces committed to Desert Storm. That was an entirely political decision.

Indeed, the Administration steadfastly refused to acknowledge that they had lost control of Iraq pretty much the day they the showed up in Baghdad, and denied the need for additional resource for more than three years, before open civil war broke out in Iraq and the "surge" began being discussed.

 

Look up chicken little, the sky didn't fall. The whole whining about a shutdown was ineffective, 99% of America is completely unaffected by this...

 

Yes he has.

 

Actually, local governments across the United States are rapidly talking about contingency plans for when thier tax revenue begins to fall. They've all seen this rodeo before.

 

based on what?

 

No, I responded to a thread I didn't start one.

 

you are not the 99%

 

cool story

 

Historically, the party who has the presidency loses seats in the mid term. This was about average, yet Trump gained seats in the senate which Obama for one didn't do.

 

Far less likely. When you look at the methodology and the wording of the questions, it looks like the conclusion was decided before launch. Would a successful person with a rich family life take the time for a phone survey?

 

At least that is a poll I trust.

 

Did I trigger a meltdown? Do you take phone surveys?

 

It is a terrible argument. Get better.

 

It is a true and well informed argument that you have not been able to refute. I actually click on the links and look at the methodology and the questions asked. They know their audience and sell what they want.

 

You are spouting pure, unadulterated bullshit. You dont know a *******n thing about the demographics of polling data.