Questions for Muslims

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  1. Blackrook

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    1. Are Muslims bound by the Ten Commandments?

    2. What makes a person a Muslim? For example, a Jew is a Jew by birth to a Jewish mother. A Christian is a Christian through baptism. What must be done to make a person Muslim?

    3. If Jesus wasn't crucified, why do the Gospels say he was crucified?

    4. If Jesus wasn't the Son of God, why do the Gospels say he was?

    5. Is there any way to verify Mohammed's claim to be a prophet?
     
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    Muslims are bound by the Ten Commandments. They show up throughout the Koran,

    Becoming Jewish thru the mother was NOT the rule until after the Babylonian exile.
     
  3. Blackrook

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    You have answered only one of my five questions.
     
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    They are hard to answer.. Since Muslims don't believe in blood sacrifice and they think Jesus was pure.. it offends their sense of justice that he died such a cruel and humiliating death. They think Judas was crucified in stead.

    They also believe like the Jews that God had no children and NO equal.

    There is NO way to verify that ANY of the prophets were prophets..

    But, you can look into the meaning of "prophet" and that most were commentators... Like the conscience of the people and prophesied AFTER the FACT.
     
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    Do the Muslims believe that the Gospel story is a lie?

    How can Muslims honor Jesus but believe he lied about who he was?

    Moses convinced God to send manna from heaven. Did Mohammed ever do anything like that?
     
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    Muslims don't believe Jesus lied.. they believe the story was a corruption.

    There was NO Moses.. and only a serious pack of dumbasses with 15 million livestock would eat "fictional manna" instead of slaughtering a few sheep and roasting them.

    There wasn't water or pasture enough for 1.8 million people and their herds.

    The story is a tale of redemption... Slavery in Egypt was the bondage of ignorance of God.. Crossing Yam Suf was crossing out of chaos.

    To this day there is no population in all of Sinai that equals the Bible claims of the numbers.. especially since Sinai was Egyptian and there were several established Cannanite towns that produced pottery and metals implements..

    There was also mining and all were protected by Egyptian garrisons. They paid tribute to Egypt.
     
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    I seriously doubt such a detailed story would be written about a man who never existed. What is your proof that Moses is a fictional character?
     
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    LOLOL.. Look at the FACTS..

    I just gave you all the proofs.. and if you are rational, you can find many more..

    Its a story full of symbolism .. but its NOT history.. It never happened.

    THINK for a moment.. people WALKED back and forth to Palestine from Egypt on dry land all the time in less than two weeks.. LOOK at a map.
     
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    You haven't proven anything.
     
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    Muslims believe in all the prophets from the Old Testament as well as John the Baptist, Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Mary is a honored woman in Islam.

    If the father is Muslim, the child is Muslim.

    The Muslims believe that the New Testament is corrupted- ie, has been changed thru translations and inaccurate or incomplete writings. Therefore they don't subscribe to the Gospels of the New Testament.
     
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    There is actually evidence that David never existed. Many people believe he was a character created by by the writers of the bible. They think this because there has never been any evidence found of David. There is no tomb, no documents, no nothing.
     
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    I'm not a Muslim but had to cover the basics of all the major religions in college (theology degree).

    1. Yes

    2. If dad is a Muslim, child is and also become can convert.

    3. Muslims believe that the Bible has been distorted through the hand of man, interpretations etc...

    4. The Qu'Ran says Jesus was a holy prophet. It also specifically states that the Christian and Jew are to be respected and will have their place in paradise with God. That's one up for Islam over Christianity. So their belief is that since Jesus was so Holy, God would never have let him be crucified. This is one of other major, differing beliefs of Islam.

    5. No. Just as, according to anyone but Christians, there is no way to prove the existence of David, Solomon, Noah, Moses or Christ.

    Cheers, FS
     
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    Seriously? So I guess you must also believe in Hercules and Achilles too.
     
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    Troy existed. Why not Achilles? Many stories of mythic figures have some kernel of truth. Homer knew about the Trojan War four hundred years after it was fought, and after Greece had gone through a Dark Age.
     
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    1. Yes, Islam supports the Ten Commandments of the Bible as well as the Five Pillars of Islam.

    2. Reciting the Shahada: La ilaha illallah Muhammadur Rasool Allah (There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His messanger). When a person converts to Islam, they must recite and believe the Shahada.

    3. I can't answer that question. The answer depends on your point of view (in other words, religious beliefs).

    4. See 3.

    5. If he was a false prophet, God would not of let him and Islam grow to what it's become. If this isn't enough to convince you, there's more.

    Mohammed PBUH split the moon, multiplied food and water in his hands, and more. Still not enough?

    He prophesized many things. One example, saying one day women will outnumber men. This was thousands of years ago. And today, it is becoming reality. He also prophesized many battles. He prophesized when his daughter would die. He prophesized Al-Quds (Jerusalem) would be conquered - it was conquered by Caliph Umar I - and other countries.

    Insha'Allah this answers all your questions. I know, I avoided #3 and #4, but I admit I can't answer them, so...

    If you have any other questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them as best I can.

    Salam
     
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    Acknowledging of Mohammed as the prophet and Allah as the only God makes you a Muslim. There is a special ritual for doing this, called Shahada, which is simply saying the same in Arabic: lā ilāha illallāh, Muḥammad rasūlullāh. This makes you automatically a Muslim.

    In Turkey religious parents wishper the Shahada in their newly born babies' ear, believing that that makes the babies Muslim.
     
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    There have also been different definitions of Muslim through history. Some of the first Muslim scholars to leave the middle east defined Muslim as believing in a superior god, monotheism. Thus by their definition, Christians and Jews were Muslims.

    It is sometimes said that Moses lived in a time when magicians were the most powerful people, they run the Pharaoh in some respect, so Moses was the greatest magician of all time.

    Jesus lived in a time when physicians were the most revered people, so Jesus was the best physician of all time (well, at the time), healing incurable diseases and defeating death.

    Muhammed lived in a time when poets were in highest regard, so Muhammed became the best poet of all time.

    Oh, yeah, and peace on all the names for those who wish.
     
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    Excellent question. Here's how to employ the same approach to your other issues:

    Is there any way to verify the Gospels' claim?

    Is there any way to verify the Gospels' claim?
     
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    The reason I asked this question is that Muslims claim to honor Jesus, but have decided that everything important written about him (the four Gospels)is a lie.

    I find this position to be logically intenable.

    If Jesus was a great prophet, certainly God would have made certain that the great books written about him were the truth.

    According to the Gospels, which were divinely inspired, Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. So he is either a liar, a lunatic, or Lord.

    Claiming Jesus is a great prophet is not an option.
     
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    Muslim means submitting to God. So that is true with some scholars, but it also includes all the Prophets in the same way (they all submitted to God).

    The Quran was the word of God given to Mohammed PBUH, according to Islam. The Quran describes the Gospel as corrupted by man. Which is why Islam does not share all of the same beliefs about Jesus PBUH as Christianity. Jesus didn't write the Gospel, so it doesn't mean he was a liar. It could be whoever wrote it was lying. Just a thought, and I don't mean to offend any Christians.

    Salam
     
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    Well, everything certain people wrote about him. Remember that Muhammed thought that the Bible was corrupted (I don't know if he thought it was divinely inspired from the start, though) and, according to himself, he was divinely inspired. Even if he thought the Bible was divinely inspired, surely, divine inspiration with corruption is worse than just divine inspiration?
    Well, Mohammed's thoughts were that the Bible had been corrupted and he made huge efforts to keep the Qu'ran from being corrupted (not allowing translation is not in general a good selling trick). He thought that the Bible had been corrupted and he thought it could happen again. His views are quite clear on that point.
    Either he is a liar or any of the writers or editors through the years are, some of which had explicit bias.
     
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    So Mohammed taught that Jesus' followers were lying about him when they claimed Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God, who was crucified, died, and rose from the dead.

    If Jesus was really a prophet, why would God allow his followers to tell so many lies about him?

    You mentioned the spread of Islam as some sort of proof that Mohammed is really a prophet of God.

    But Christianity has roughly twice as many followers as Islam.

    Why would God allow so many people to follow a false religion like Christianity?
     
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    I guess you believe Jack Ryan exists too.
     
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    Technically it's not all the Christians who are lying. It's the ones who wrote the Gospel. Say the Quran was false. Would all Muslims be considered liars, or just the prophet? I don't think it'd be fair to label all members of either religion liars in this case.

    The same reason I could say anything I wanted about Jesus. We are free to believe and say whatever we want. But we will face the consequences when we meet God on the Final Day.

    We were warned about corruption in the Bible. It's our choice now to choose the Quran, Bible, Torah, or nothing.

    Actually, Islam has been the world's largest religion for years now. And it's still growing at a higher rate than Christianity and Judaism. So I could ask you that same question.

    Salam
     
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    Ask your self why the Israelites would leave Egypt and then stay in Egypt for 40 years (a generation)
     

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