Questions for Muslims

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Blackrook, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. rahinew

    rahinew New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2011
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0



    Ans number 1: Muslims believe that Ten commandments was exist but during the time from 3000 years it was changed(specially after 400 years that Jews loss it and they try to wrote it with their acknowledgment) Jews change it during the time to books that has benefit for themselves.
    more than 900 Qur'an Verses is about Bani Israel(Jews). you can read that. The History of them is in this book.
    The Jews now is not the like first?
    Reason: If Ten commandments wasn't change so Why was Jesus raised?(ans: to fix the people form the wrong way that they were in because of Distortions)
    we can talk about it more but for now it's Enough.

    ans N2: Islam is not racism(because you say " a Jew is a Jew by birth to a Jewish mother" make them racism) so every human can be a Muslim.
    you said "A Christian is a Christian through baptism." in Islam If you want to be a Muslim you must Accept some rules.
    Islam Has 4 or 5 Principles(the number is different in Denominations)
    1. the god is 1. (Called tohid)IF you want I can explain that.
    2. Muhammad is the last prophet of God.
    3. GOD is just.
    4. Believe In judgment Day.(a day that all people who were died raise up and God judge on them.)
    *5. Believe that God will never leave the ground without a head.(It Called Imam)IF you want I can explain that to you.
    BUT... BUT .... BUT ...
    Being Muslim is not that, Islam is way to live in Peace , and be happy in life, and more important of them is a way that show the goal of Human to Muslims. If a Muslim don't obey the rules, He isn't a Muslim.(Rules are simple ... if you want I say those to you)

    ans N3: The answer is easy. who said Jesus was crucified at first? Who crucified him if it's true?
    The Ans is so easy: JEWS.
    Jews saw their position threatened After Coming Jesus Christ. They try to Kill Him and God took him to the sky and God changed the face of The man who sold Jesus to Jesus face.

    Koran CH4 Num157:

    nd for their saying, 'we killed the messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger (and prophet) of allah. ' they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but to them, he (the crucified) had been given the look (of prophet Jesus). those who differ concerning him (prophet Jesus) are surely in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge of him, except the following of supposition, and (it is) a certainty they did not kill him.

    Ch3 Num54:
    they devised, and allah devised. and allah is the best devisor.
    Ch3 Num55:
    allah said: ' (prophet) Jesus, i will take you to me and will raise you to me, and i will purify you from those who disbelieve. i will make your followers (who died before prophet Muhammad) above those who disbelieve till the day of resurrection. then, to me you shall all return, and i shall judge between you as to that you were at variance.

    for other I just want a little rest.
     
  2. NoPartyAffiliation

    NoPartyAffiliation New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    Messages:
    3,772
    Likes Received:
    117
    Trophy Points:
    0
    LOL! This guy is a complete moron! Obviously never served in the military and definitely never served in intelligence. Completely ignorant.

    What a whackjob! :giggle:
    So he is completely ignorant about Islam and Muslims.
    He is a prejudiced hypocrite who pretends to ask questions but then just goes all whackjob on anyone who gives an intelligent answer.
    He completely ignorant about the military, intelligence and blames a guy who was out of office for 9 months, for 9/11.
    This is really entertaining! I had to show my wife this. She didn't believe there were real people who were this ignorant and clueless until I joined this place a month or two ago. Now we've seen - there are LOTS of real people who are so completely ignorant and whose every thought is actually fed to them by Glenn Beck (who I watch - my wife doesn't believe there are people who take him seriously - Blackrook proves it) or whomever.
    Love it!
     
  3. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2010
    Messages:
    15,668
    Likes Received:
    1,957
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I hope he realizes that the Bush Administration had a warning of the 9/11 attacks months before they happened and did nothing.....FBI agents discovered intel about attacks that would take place in september of 2001 and would involve highjacked planes and they uncovered a list of possible targets that included Sears Tower, the WTC, the Pentagon, Camp David, and several others....They brought the intel to Bush's attention and were completely blown off because Bush was too busy thinking of how to ban gay marraige.....
     
  4. Mayerling

    Mayerling Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2008
    Messages:
    2,452
    Likes Received:
    70
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Nope it is not so. You should read some books as to what Islam contributed to the world.
     
  5. Mayerling

    Mayerling Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2008
    Messages:
    2,452
    Likes Received:
    70
    Trophy Points:
    48
    She obviously made a poor choice in a husband.


    I agree with the other poster who said that the first series of your questions were serious ones. Now- your prejudice is simply showing and there is no more reason to engage in conversation with you if you continue on that path.
     
  6. Mayerling

    Mayerling Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2008
    Messages:
    2,452
    Likes Received:
    70
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Saudi Arabia is the only country in the Muslim world which doesn't allow women to drive. It has nothing to do with religion.
    The hijab is required of women in very few countries. I iive in Egypt and while the hijab is worn more and more, it is not required by the state.
     
  7. Mayerling

    Mayerling Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2008
    Messages:
    2,452
    Likes Received:
    70
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Read some of Karen Armstrong's books on Islam- she was a Catholic nun at one point and studied Judaism as well.
     
  8. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    8,178
    Likes Received:
    1,077
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If you recognize that you have no impact on US foreign policy, why are you arguing as if you think you have any impact on Saudi social policies?

    You do realise that spreading these lies and sometimes uncomfortable truths, you cement the general public's views of Muslims, and not for the better. The only impact loud anti-Muslims have is increasing the animosity between those Muslims who actually behave and everyone else.

    Of course, I'm not going to stop you, and uncomfortable truths aren't lies, but remember that uncomfortable truths can be said about most nations, peoples, areas, political ideologies and so on. While what you speak might be the truth, the fact that you focus on those particular truths is a bias.

    There is also a huge, huge fallacy you are bouncing these things off.

    All those things you say are true, but they are not true in general. You seem to believe that "Muslims" do all these things or are responsible, but they are all but small groups using a religious rhetoric. A Qaeda has less to do with most Muslims than Westboro baptist church has to do with most Christians.

    The Christian Sub-Saharan countries are worse off than MENA in most ways. Of course, this has very little to do with Christianity. MENA is still doing quite badly, and that can, similarly, be attributed to the constant wars in the area, for one thing, the system is built upon a tribal system which always will have animosity towards each other in a way westerners can't really understand, then there is the Israel question, someone showing up out of nowhere running people out of their homes have huge impacts on everything, then there is the American invasion, invasions always have impacts on things like infant mortality and focusing on the difference between the cultures of the invaders and invadees.

    We are not telling you about Angola because we want to say that "by your standard, you are still worse than them", we tell you about Angola for you to realise that the standard you use is not sensible.

    We are not telling you about the Crusades because we want to say that "by your standard, you are worse than them", we tell you about the Crusades to show you that even an idea that can be considered "good" can do horrible things.
     
  9. kshRox01

    kshRox01 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2011
    Messages:
    846
    Likes Received:
    49
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So are you implying women are not treated as second class citizens thoughout the Muslim world?
     
  10. kshRox01

    kshRox01 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2011
    Messages:
    846
    Likes Received:
    49
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Just curious.

    Do you consider yourself a Muslim apologist?
    Or do you have problems with the tenets of this faith and how it is practiced?
     
  11. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    8,178
    Likes Received:
    1,077
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Women are treated like second class citizens in all of the world except for a few places, US, west Europe and a few other places. Muslim world is no exception but it's not worst.
     
  12. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Margot is a muslim though he/she claims to be Christian. As with many other muslims on this forum they conceal their real religion in hopes of distorting Christianity. They are good muslims however in that they lie about their faith.

    They are not hard to spot however. They will always demean the Bible and Jesus Christ yet will defend islam.

    Quantrill
     
  13. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I never wore an abaya or hijab in 20 years.. nor did my mother or any other American woman. Mom had a Cadillac that she drove in camp.. every where else we took cabs or a bus.

    All of us attended Sunday School (or Mass) as well as vacation Bible school and church.. I sang in the choir.. and the Saudis managed the livestock for our outdoor Christmas pageanta.


     
  14. Mayerling

    Mayerling Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2008
    Messages:
    2,452
    Likes Received:
    70
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Thank you. I could not have said this better.
     
  15. Mayerling

    Mayerling Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2008
    Messages:
    2,452
    Likes Received:
    70
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Really? How do you know if she is a Muslim or not. Did she tell you so? And what difference does it make anyway.
     
  16. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    0
    lol....

    Ladies and Gentleman, the troll has arrived.
     
  17. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Why would I apologise for any religion?

    I never wore an abaya or hijab in 20 years.. nor did my mother or any other American woman. Mom had a Cadillac that she drove in camp.. every where else we took cabs or a bus.

    All of us attended Sunday School (or Mass) as well as vacation Bible school and church.. I sang in the choir.. and the Saudis managed the livestock for our outdoor Christmas pageants.

    I was awarded my first Bible in Arabia with my name in gold letters for memorizing 100 Bible verses.

     
  18. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    0
    What is a "Muslim apologist"?

    I'm sorry. I'm sorry there are people on this forum (and in the world) who are so ignorant and clueless about one of the Abrahimic religions, they constantly spread lies and hate.

    Am I a "Muslim apologist" now?

    Salam
     
  19. Blackrook

    Blackrook Banned

    Joined:
    May 8, 2009
    Messages:
    13,914
    Likes Received:
    265
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yes you are a Muslim apologist.

    Please explain why when those Danish cartoons of Mohammed came out Muslims around the world rioted and murdered five people, including a Catholic nun.

    Please explain how this does not mean that Muslims are barbarians who should be shunned by the civilized world.

    That Catholic nun devoted her life to helping Muslims and that was how they repaid her.

    Please explain a religion that teaches its followers to murder random Christians when a cartoon comes out.
     
  20. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Predictable.. You skip all posts that prove your ignorance.

     
  21. Blackrook

    Blackrook Banned

    Joined:
    May 8, 2009
    Messages:
    13,914
    Likes Received:
    265
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Please explain why it's ok for Muslims to murder a Catholic nun because they're mad over a cartoon.

    If you can explain that to my satisfaction, you win the debate. I will admit I am wrong about Islam.

    That is my challenge to you.

    Are you up to it?
     
  22. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I never wore an abaya or hijab in 20 years.. nor did my mother or any other American woman. Mom had a Cadillac that she drove in camp.. every where else we took cabs or a bus.

    European women, Somali women and women from India also didn't wear abaya.

    All of us attended Sunday School (or Mass) as well as vacation Bible school and church.. I sang in the choir.. and the Saudis managed the livestock for our outdoor Christmas pageants.

    I was awarded my first Bible in Arabia with my name in gold letters for memorizing 100 Bible verses.
     
  23. Blackrook

    Blackrook Banned

    Joined:
    May 8, 2009
    Messages:
    13,914
    Likes Received:
    265
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You didn't explain why it's ok for Muslims to murder a Catholic nun because they're mad over a cartoon.

    Like I said, if you can explain that to my satisfaction, you win the debate.

    I will apologize for everything I said about Islam.
     
  24. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0

    I can't explain murders in any country anywhere in the world.

    Is that it? You want to WIN? LOLOL
     
  25. Blackrook

    Blackrook Banned

    Joined:
    May 8, 2009
    Messages:
    13,914
    Likes Received:
    265
    Trophy Points:
    0
    No, I gave you a chance to win the debate but you're giving up.

    You can't explain why it's ok for Muslims to murder a Catholic nun because they're mad over a cartoon.

    So I will not retract anything I've said about the Muslim religion.

    Muslims are barbarians who do not believe in freedom of expression.

    Comedy Central censored South Park's depiction of Mohammed because they were afraid of the Muslims.

    Freedom is under attack and you are defending the attackers of freedom.

    Why???
     

Share This Page