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I am making no claims, other than speaking the truth. It is you and your interpretation of my words that is creating the alleged condition of a 'claim'. You might want to study the various meanings of the word "claim" and the various meanings of the word "truth".

 

You did so make other claims. You claim to know the truth of scripture from your communication with the Holy Spirit.

It is one thing to claim to speak the truth .. quite another to claim that the truth you speak comes from converstions with the Holy Spirit.

 

A statement of 'truth' on my part. If you have a problem dealing with the 'truth', then you need counseling.

Again, statements of truth on my part.

Can you prove that with objective empirical evidence?

 

Yes Mr Troll.

The claims are different. One claim is you saying something is true.

The other claim is you saying that the Holy Spirit says something is true.

Unless you are the Holy Spirit .. a claim from you and you claiming the Holy Spirit told you something are different.

Two different sources.

 

I have stated before hand that my reliance is upon the Holy Spirit, and have further stated previously that it is the Holy Spirit that provides me with the correct interpretation of the scripture. So where is the difference in "claim"?

Furthermore: Looking at the definition of the term "claim":

"claim
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Claim means to take or assert ownership of something. (verb)"

By definition, show where I have asserted "ownership" of anything that I have said. You cannot, because I have not.

Second definition of "claim":
"A claim is a demand for something which is due. (noun)"

Where have I made a demand for anything when I have spoke about any particular scripture? I have not made any such demands. I have expressed challenges regarding scripture, but I do not have the authority to issue demands with regard to scripture. Any alleged demands made by me (demanding objective empirical evidence) is a scientific demand ,,, not relating to scripture.

"Two different sources?" Not hardly, especially when I have continuously stated that the Holy Spirit reveals to me or that the Holy Spirit has told me... all such comments points to the same source.. The Holy Spirit.

Nice try, but epic fail on your part.

Source of definitions: www.yourdictionary.com/claim

 

Intentional Denial !!

In the first case: If a claim is made by you about the truth of scripture .. is a claim that comes from you.

In the second case: The claim is made that the truth of scripture comes from the holy spirit.

There is a difference between case 1 and 2.

If all your claims are case 2. Then you are claiming to be a prophet.

 

What intentional denial? Either show the proof of your claim instead of mere allegations or just drop the losing issue that you are trying to make.

Wrong: I have never asserted any ownership of any scripture, and have repeatedly stated that the interpretation comes from the Holy Spirit. You really do need to learn the definitions of some relatively simple words before you attempt to attach any form of logic to those words.

Which is what I have been stating all along. You however, are attempting to say that because I repeat what I have stated came from the Holy Spirit to be in fact my 'claim'. You don't own any real property do you?

Yep! There is a difference. Both are based on your lack of comprehension of the English language and therefore are faulty in your mind.

No! You are interpreting my comments in such a way as to give the appearance that I am making the claim that you suggest. I deny that claim of yours. That is your claim and is being presented as a projection of what is in your mind.

 

You can squirm and wiggle all you wish it does not change the truth.

You claim to have conversations with the Holy Spirit. You claim to know the truth based on these conversations.

When you speak of the truth are you speaking for yourself or are you revealing what has been taught to you by the Holy Spirit ?

 

What kind of drugs are you using? The truth? What do you know about 'truth'? Squirm and wiggle? You are projecting again.

You really do need to change your vocabulary. Instead of using the word 'claim' which has already been shown that you are using it incorrectly, try using the word "know". Using the word 'know' would make your comments more entertaining... as if your comments are not already entertaining...(laughable).

I have already answered that question. I am speaking the truth. Now there is the challenging part for you. Figure it out... but don't say that I am making claims, as I am not asserting any ownership of anything, and I am not bringing a charge against anyone.

 

LOL what are you talking about, who said you were making a charge against someone. Have you flown the coup ?

You receive messages from the Holy Spirit. When you speak these messages to others in the name of the Holy Spirit, your then make yourself as a Prophet.

 

Like I said before, you really do need to learn the definitions of words that you like to use. www.yourdictionary.com/claim Learn something for a change.

Your statement above is a declarative statement. A positive statement of FACT. Can you prove that statement to be true?

"as a prophet" is not the same thing as being a prophet. Go back and study your grammar 101 also.

 

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

 

LOL You are determined to wiggle and squirm.

Do you or do you not receive messages from the Holy Spirit ?

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I did not say it was the same. You make yourself as a Prophet is exactly what is meant.

 

Preaching the word, is preaching the word.

Claiming to have a correct interpretation of "the word" because one has direct communication with God/The Holy Spirit, is on a different level than Preaching the word.

It moves one to the same level as Jesus or at least to the level of the Prophets.

 

How about a member of the 'Royal Priesthood'? That would be more accurate.

 

Delusions of grandeur is a fitting term.

Blasphamy is another.

Abomination of Desolation yet another !

 

And what specific point are you attempting to make? After disclosure of the point that you are attempting to make. . . also be prepared to support your assertion(s) with objective empirical evidence.

 

Claiming to have a correct interpretation of "the word" because one has direct communication with God/The Holy Spirit is claiming to speak for God.

 

You keep talking in circles. Saying the same thing, but never offering any kind of objective empirical evidence to support your assertion. Simply amazing. That must really be a small box that you are in, to keep you walking in such a tight little circle. Have fun, but while you are having fun, think about bringing some objective empirical evidence on one of those cycles that you make.

 

Support this assertion with objective empirical evidence!


....see how much sense this makes?

 

ROFL Why would you require me to give you evidence for you to accept your own claim.

No more Pipe for you !! Your denial of reality has now gone so far that you are requiring evidence for your own words.


You claim that the words/truth that comes out of your mouth come from God. This is a claim to speak for God "by definition"

Words coming from God = Words coming from God
Speaking for God = Your Words come from God

 

Because it is you who is making the claim. Not me. I am merely speaking the truth. Truth and claim are not the same thing.

Where have I denied reality? What is 'reality'? You see, that is a philosophical issue, and because we are using differing philosophies, you cannot say that I am denying reality, because I am not denying reality.

By whose "definition"?

And your point? The second equation is not properly an equality.

 

Why is it not properly an equality ?

If a person says "my words come from God" .. this is the same as saying "I am speaking Gods words"

In both cases the words spoken are claimed to come from God.

 

No! You have it wrong! "my words come from God" is not a 'claim'... those words are truth. "I am speaking Gods words" cannot be logical. As the words that God spoke are the words that God spoke... the words that I spoke are the words that i spoke.

If I were to repeat the following in its full text: "Four score and seven years ago...." Am I speaking Lincolns words or am I speaking the words of Lincoln? The words that Lincoln spoke were spoken 100 plus years ago. The words that I speak are spoken today. Not the same words.... not the same time... not the same. The words Lincoln spoke went out and accomplished what they were sent to accomplish. The words that I speak, will go out and accomplish what they are sent out to accomplish....

 

The two are the same. Just as Peter's dog is the dog of Peter. lol

Yeah, but the words you speak are supposed to be the words of your god.
Then your words repeat the words of your god, or so you believe.

I'd never have thought God would be such a tedious bickerer and uninspired debater.