Ron DeSantis on what being conservative means: 'Our rights come from God, not government'

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  1. DaveBN

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    Oh, okay so the second amendment is a right given by god and is therefore inalienable.

    So convicted felons should not be stripped of that right? Including domestic abusers and people who have committed gun crimes?

    Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The state shouldn’t have the right to kill you, right?
     
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    The Declaration of Independence does not say “our creator“ it says “their creator”.
     
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    Oh, sorry. I’m just a little birdie. I don’t know any better, right?
     
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    I am curious, what do you think the point was?
     
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    The declaration is meaningless unless it is part of the law. Funny that such lofty declaration did not apply to blacks.
    Have you ever asked that of yourself?
     
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    GOD? Who?
    THIS Guy? God Shammgod?
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    Oh well, people who can't accept that this is all there is...
    ...and, when you're dead--you're dead...
    ...and can't handle that idea, need SOMETHING to "Believe In"...

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    ***Obviously, Ron D.'s BS is just a Shameless Attempt to Pander to Evangelicals...
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    Why would I think that anyone who takes rights away from other people are not due any form of punishment?
     
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    I still want to here about this idea of owning guns is a right promulgated by your god.

    Or, was it Jesus??

    I don't remember Jesus suggesting his followers carry lethal weapons.
     
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    But these rights are inalienable, aren’t they? Given by god? Permanent?

    Was that not correct? Were you lying or just wrong?
     
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    And the law is meaningless unless it’s enforced. Yaall are doing a bang up job of that huh? LOL
     
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    When those rights are taken away/denied by others, it is our DUTY to rise up against those who have done so.

    my god, you’ve never read the declaration have you? Start there. And then continue learning.

    by your idiotic logic we had no right to rebel against England. LOL
     
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    How exactly would you have advised the Founders to rise up against tyranny with no guns? They didn’t have disingenuous forum trolls back then
     
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    What the **** are you blabbering about?
     
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    Was something complicated about what I said?
     
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    And deny what God has given? Ever think before you post?
    Missed a lot of history classes didn't you? Ever consider what would have happened if the revolution was not a victory? What would those rights have been called?
     
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    So then a domestic abuser or a person who commits gun crimes does have a right to own and carry firearms? You’re confusing me.
     
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    Not complicated and totally senseless.
     
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    Not everyone has the right to go to heaven. Only those that God has called will go.
     
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    You have clearly never even read the Declaration. It says what it says buddy. Rights come from our creator and we have a duty to rise against anyone who takes those rights away.

    Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you can burn it. So go back in time and argue your BS with the Founders.
     
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    Sure if you no grasp of current events or importance of law enforcement. LOL
     
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    I’m sorry, did I say when criminals take away our rights then we have a duty to arm them and let them loose?

    Omg no wonder you libs keep letting out the criminals! Just really really crappy reading comprehension!

    no silly! I meant and specifically stated the opposite of that.

    Please Webster definition of opposite if that confuses you too
     
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    So then it’s not an inalienable right? It can be taken away? It’s impermanent?
     
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    A reference to God is not intended to refence any specific god or religion. Rather, is in intended to refer to inherant rights that cannot be granted or revoked by a government.

    Your use of the term "nutter" as a perjorative suggests to me you are British, not an American. Do they teach you anything about your philospher John Locke, natural rights, and the enlightenment in your secondary education system? Cause a certain level of education is required to discuss this sort of thing in meaningful way. Just sayin.
     
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    So we don’t get rights…until we go to heaven? Wth are even sayibf?
     
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    Care to try that in coherent English?
     
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