Russia planing for WW#3?

Lech Walesa is a myth?

Was every nation in Western Europe providing a better living for the average man then any Eastern European country? Any soviet satellite? Russia itself?

Communism and socialism suck. You have no evidence otherwise.

 

that is the point because for all these years it's been exactly the USA as an agressor and ivader of other countries while the rest of the world had abandoned the idea of military interference as such.

 

not a myth but the West's puppet.

no, and what do you call 'better living' - when you have to pay for everything in addition to taxes and work like a slave as you do in the West?

 

Laughable. The pope too?

Work for a living - horror! At least it isnt soviet style forced labor and wages. You know. Literal slavery.

By better off I mean earns far more money. Can secure a better future for their children etc... Not in poverty, etc... No longer under threat of mass starvation because some commie dictator thinks he can play farmer. You know...prosperity. If you haven't been out of Russia it may be foreign to you, but try visiting America one day and take a ganders. Not starving and having more then decent shelter and 2 cars and ac and TV and all the creature comforts you want is pretty common in America. Even the poor have cars and AC and flat screens and video games and one touch coffee machines etc...

 

yes the Pope too.

it wasn't forced labour in the USSR but guaranteed jobs and payment-free education and healthcare.

dictators can't rule countries for longer than half a year or so. Stalin ruled Russia for 30 years, which a dictator would not be capable of, and as for farming - the Kolkhozes introduced by Stalin have put an end to famines in Russia from that moment on.

you've never been to Russia, have you?.. only seen what your local authorities allow you to see?

nobody starved in the USSR after WWII ended either. TV wasn't of any news to us Soviets too.
(gosh, judging by your reasons, you have been completely brainwashed by US propaganda machine, just imagine 'starving' eh?)

low priced public transport had the priority in USSR.
but wait, flat screens and video games came about only in the 1990s, so stop comparing apples and oranges.
take USA circa the Great Depression and compare it with then USSR, start playing fair at last, unlike your local mass media that spin doctoring you.

 

hahah, you commie stooges crack me up.

Oh so the job freedoms and programs offered by the 3rd Reich.

He had a few agrarian reforms before that ended in mass starvation though. Lets nor forget he is so stupid economically that millions have died because of his decisions.

No, but I have been to a shock freezer on the poor side of town, so I feel I do have some experience to share.

Yeah, socialist nations certainly suck. Were you alive back then, or are you just working with what Soviets taught you my indoctrinated friend? Google Holodomor. If you want more commie success stories google "cultural revolution"

Because the cars you make suck.

I am talking about now. That is the point of reference you were complaining about. Back then, we had corvettes, you had some crappy state made car no one can even bother remembering its name. You had bread lines, we had supermarkets. We had Sears, you had nothing. We had freedom, you had to wall your citizens in so they wouldnt escape to it.

 

Going off topic here.

What kind of logic is that? You just make up your own category and use it as a measurement to proof your point?
You might as well just say dictators can't have a moustache, Stalin and Hitler had a moustache, hence neither Stalin nor Hitler were dictators.
I have yet to find a reliable, scientific history book that clearly states they weren't dictators (supposedly because dictators can only rule a country for one year? Yeah, right.).

You realize that this is utter nonsense? I live in the so-called west and I don't work like a slave, neither does anyone in my family or friends of mine. I had relatives in the former communist east, their stories contradict pretty much everything you claim.
Strange that time and again the human development index and other studies show that things in the awful west aren't that bad after all.
I'm not saying that the western system is perfect, it clearly isn't, but there is no other society form that has been able to provide this living standard so far, certainly not Stalin's Soviet Union.

Now back to topic.

 

I hate it when the thread goes off topic too, but reading through these comparisons, I can't help but think of some glaring examples of Stalin. Part of his "cure" for famine was to kill off millions of people he didn't like. With that, the opposition was annihilated. A dictator can remain in power for at least a generation, if he kills the current generation! Food lasts much longer when so many consumers are eliminated.
Oh. And let's try hard to ignore the US grain subsidies that the Proud Russians allowed us to provide... Aren't we STILL doing that???

 

So show me a link to someone on your side of the debate. Were you living in West Russia during the war? If not then you must be getting your knowledge of the war from a writer with a different point of view than the western writers you claim have it wrong. Don't give me this common sense BS. That's an obvious copout. I enjoy watching documentaries. Give me a title and I will watch if I can find it.

 

Noticed here an argument about Communism in Russia bla bla bla.

The USA helped the Communists take Russia.
The USA helped keep them in power.
The USA helped loot Russia during the attempted break up of Russia.

And ever since President Lincoln, we USA'ers have had a very unique form of Communism; We call it Capitalism.

We have adopted all 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto and have spent the last 150 years fighting wars to spread it all over the world.

The Russians have abandoned Communism, and we so called Americans are embracing it more than ever.

 

Are the Russians ready to defend Maritime Siberia from the Chinese?

 

Oh dear the 'standard of argument' of the "I love Wall Street" Crowd ,so you Love Wall Street and hate the people of the USA ,and any way ,its the German Equivalent or German Imperialism that rules in the EU.

How's that EU "recovery" going BTW?

Oh and how is the US "recovery "going BTW?

Wall Street's boy in the Whitehouse ,Obama is frazzled ,have you noticed his 'look' lately ,Worn out dogged ,not his former self ,making it up as he goes ,kind of DEFEATED, just going through the motions human.Smashed and battered from one crisis to another ,he can't take a trick and his enemies ,A PLENTY ,are circling.

 

Wishful thinking! Moscow is flexing it's muscles because of the threats it faces in the Caucasus. If we intervene in their right for self preservation, then there will be a third world war.

 

you deny the Third Reich had some point at times?

it wasn't reforms. Stalin built a new model state from scratch, from the chaos of Russian Civil War aftermaths, and to blame him for what others had done is silly.

nah, and no surprise then that your opinion of Russia is that way, lol, try to form your opinions based on a direct experience to stop being so ingnorant.

the former.

google anything. Google is a dump heap, don't you know?

no, because public transport was a priority in the USSR, so why own a car when you can buy a ticket at no price and go wherever you want.

if you talked of today, then anyone in the world including Russia can easily afford 'flat screens and video games and one touch coffee machines' etc. and if you think of it all as of some kind of luxury, this only shows the state of poberty you live in the US these days.

only during the WWII, afterwards there was overproduction of bread in USSR.

you might not know but products can be sold via separate shops too.

in the 19th century maybe, but since you have been subjected to taxation and other payments like that, you are free no more, for only slaves pay taxes, the free may levy taxes but never pay them.

well, judging by your opinions and perception of the world and reality, it is you who live behind an 'iron curtain' there in the USA.

 

the only category i refer is common sense unlike you in the West who live on lies and myths to such an extent you are afraid even to doubt it.

well, has any of the American presidents ever had a moustache?.. but it is them who spread this paranoia seeing 'dictators' everywhere, get the idea?

 

no, and never did, check your facts before posting. Russia is providing the US with grain today, whereas USSR import amounted only to 3% which means USA grain was 'a drop in the bucket' as well as Lend Lease that was only a small part to the overall Soviet wartime production.

 

google Soviet authors.

did you ever ask yourself - who made these 'documentaries' for you and with what purpose?

google Soviet documentaries.

 

Alright then, I'll find some other way to fault you guys.... Why did you choose a varmint to be your avatar?

 

not for any particular reason, just for luls.

 

Last year, I had a Russian Diplomat in the cab. It's hard for a cabbie in Las Vegas to think of anything to talk about with a guy like that, but I wanted to engage him. I asked vague questions about Chechnya and Georgia. He got going pretty easily. The real meat of what he said was that Russia is most deeply concerned about keeping the federation together, as it remains.
So, I read http://english.pravda.ru/ occasionally. It seems that there are at least two reasons why Russia is building up their military. The first is obvious. They have to keep Europe and China from invading and taking the gas fields. The second is to maintain national pride. I guess you could say there's a third, which is to remain competent in the world weapons market. What else does Russia really have, but weapons and gas?

 

You have to be able to support trading partners as many of them are weak regimes who, if overtaken by opposition make all your agreements null and void and, your industry which is dependent on their goods and materials, sucking hind tit and, the markets and ability to get it to those markets (if they have not been overtaken by some regime opposed to your products because of political or religious differences). If you can't do that then then your entire nation is dependent on whatever stuff you have there in that nation which, in the case of Russia isn't much to put on the table.

The US has a large military just for that and, the Chinese are developing same in order to protect their international interests. No great power or hyper power is thinking of attacking another great power, they're simply protecting their trade and, the more the trade, the greater the military is required.

 

What's is GDP per capita in the former bloc?
I was talking about things the poor have in America.

Great public transportation works. How many days does it take to ride the trams Siberian? My friend was on it for a week.

You can't claim crappy cars as some kind of accomoshment.

Overproduction of bread isn't something to be proud of either. You should have moved to T bone production.

What was the Berlin Wall for then and why was there no free emigration? This I have some second hand knowledge of. A family friend crossed it. He said it sucked in east germany and he had to get out.

 

Yes. Read the life of Ivan denosivich. Great book, shows the brutality of the USSR.

 

You really are a fool, I have no words to describe how preposterous this nonsense is.
If you really believe this bollocks, you know nothing about the west. Stupid stereotypes, overgeneralisations and prejudice don't add to the credibility of your argument. But it makes live a lot easier if you have a clear concept and know who the enemy is.
facepalm

 

This is lie