So you thought that sex was binary with a strict division between male and female

You failed to read or answer the question. Why the dodge? Read carefully. It is a real situation that can and has happened and will happen again.

 

Which, to be fair, neither counters the claim that transgender and intersex are not the same, nor does it really show that sex itself is not a binary. But given that the vast majority of proponents aren't arguing about what sex a person is, it's a moot point.

 

Born with a vagina? You are a woman. I did answer your question. Your feelings do not dictate reality

 

Found how......by their feelings or by medical diagnosis.

https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-intersex

Also do you realize how sick and disgusting the premise of this thread is to many people? You are taking people who have a verifiable medical condition and using it to justify people who "feel" they were born in the wrong body aka gender dysphoria.

That's disgusting.

I suppose in your next thread you'll use people with Tourette syndrome to justify racial slurs or something absurd like that.

 

So then the XY chromosomes mean nothing towards the determination?

 

If you are defected but steer more toward one sex that's what you are.

Defects do not define our species

 

Which is the defect? The vagina or the chromosomes?

 

Lols! You didn’t actually read that link did you?

https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-intersex

Some are very subtle like CAIS - complete androgen insensitivity syndrome or the effects of EDCs Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals. It is gob smacking to me that the right is very busy attacking doctors who are treating this and ignoring the causes - but then I am betting there is some money flowing from the plastics industry to keep the research about EDCs suppressed or at least the public distracted from what is happening

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27660460/

 

Sooooooo - in that case Trans is OK?

https://www.endocrine.org/topics/edc/what-edcs-are/common-edcs/reproduction

 

There are members on here who I have confused completely by explaining Turners and Klinefelters syndrome

 

I did but clearly you are having a lot of problems with processing information.

Your quote about the timeframe and array of various intersex traits and the timeframe in which they are diagnosed or discovered by the people with them in no form or fashion negates the fact that they are not the same as transgenderism. They are not a spectrum and they are diagnosed via medical professions instead of being something you "feel".

You are conflating two things that are not at all the same. You should stop. It is disgusting to try to use people with actual medical concerns and conditions they have innately to attempt to justify the trans agenda.

 

How do you know? You are arbitrarily assigning transgenderism to psychology and intersex conditions to biology and that is not what the research is finding.
Different cognition and behaviours are to be found in men and women
https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence
If parents fail to “groom” children into gender dysphoria what is the chance of some stray book doing it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6525581/

 

I know because I have an advanced degree, critical thinking skills and the ability to think rationally and logically.

I'm not arbitrarily assigning them to two different fields. They are in fact two different fields. If I note that chemistry is not the same as physics, that isn't arbitrary. That is reality. You support your claim above with absolutely nothing. Your link doesn't even remotely relate to what you say.

No one is talking about a book altering gender dysphoria. How is this even a point in your discussion with me? The claim of the OP is that since there are atypical aka exceptions to the binary of human sex, called intersex which means they have medically diagnosed conditions, that somehow sex is a spectrum.

That isn't any sort of logical or proper thinking. There are percentages of people born with malformed or missing fingers, toes, entire limbs, etc. We don't declare that those items are a "spectrum." We say they are medically diagnosed conditions, problems and defects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

What specialty is listed for gender dysphoria? Who diagnoses a person with gender dysphoria? Stop being obtuse here. Participate honestly and in good faith.

 

I can't seem to get a consistent answer out of them, collectively at least. IF science really has made the final word on it, you'd think they would be of one accord. But some will tell use only the chromosomes matter, making my example person a male. And then others, like Tough Talk, will claim it's the genitals, making my example person female. But neither one would want said example person to undergo transition even under the claim that the chromosomes made them male. And all this is before we look at chimeras.

 

How the **** is unfortunate side effects from pesticides related in any way to a mental disorder?

 

On the low probability that you are born with female chromosomes and male genitalia or the like...You'd probably still identify as male as that's what your outward characteristics would describe you as. You have all the plumbing of a man. But the chromosomes of a woman.

You are not a new sex. You are a defect. A mix mash of both unfortunately. And we do not redefine our species by defects.

Let's say you were born with both testis and ovaries, you will likely produce too much testosterone to get pregnant.
https://www.ocfertility.com/blog/im-intersex-can-i-have-a-baby

"Do you have both male and female reproductive organs?
Some intersex people have both testes and ovaries. You may be able to get pregnant on your own, if you also have a uterus. However, if you have testes, they may be releasing more testosterone than would be optimal for conception and pregnancy.

If you have both testes and ovaries and are having trouble becoming pregnant, we may remove the testicular tissue. We may also recommend hormone therapy to increase your chances of ovulating and becoming pregnant."

You are not a third sex. Biology demands that you likely need to have therapy or surgery to "fix" you so that you can get pregnant because your defect is blocking you from procreating.

Let's say that again. -Blocking you from procreating-. Because you are a defect. Not what nature has intended and thus not optimal for the continuation of our species and as such would likely need alterations or assistance that would help you swing more towards one of the genders so that you could procreate.

Like with all birth defects, like down syndrome or intersex and the like...we should sympathize but not romanticize such conditions.

Hope this helps your confusion.

 

You are talking about outliers and incidental attributes. Typically men have a penis and women have a vagina.

There is no leway for a vigina to be a man or for a penis to be a woman, which is the logical conclusion of what you are suggesting.

If the outliers want to choose between their biologically confused genders, fine. But according to the data you provided that choice is only open to >2% of the population

 

Romanticizing? It's more about treating them decently, which conservatives have found various excuses not to. I get the sports thing, I do, but other than that conservatives are just picking on them due to a dislike for them.

 

Everything in the natural world is on a spectrum.

 

No no we were treating them decently. Now with the language control or redefining simple words....the invasion of female spaces and the non binary **** we have gone full bore off the deep end.

I think the more heavy handed you push this nonsense the further a social divide you cause.

 

Given that the transgender population is about 1% of the population, you have pretty much supported our position. Granted due to the attention, they might seem more, but they're not.

I ask you the same question I asked before. Which is the deciding factor on sex? Genitals, chromosomes, or something else?

 

Yeah, around one percent. But the numbers don't figure. Some sources are saying around 5% of the population identifies as transgender.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...s-different-from-their-sex-assigned-at-birth/

That a big leap. That means that if 20 out of 100 people are transgender, all but one of those 20 are faking it.

Edit, well faking it might not be exactly accurate, but those 19 can't accept the way God made them. For whatever reason.

 

This has nothing to do with transgenderism. This type of phenomenon is not transitionary. This is a genetic defect. I would be willing to bet good money that most transgenders don’t suffer from this condition.

 

Chromosomes are responsible for your reproductive organs so I would argue chromosomes are the root factor.

 

no wait my math is off, it be 5 transgender out of 100 and four out of five with definitive gender features. I had it at 20 out of 100, I must have divided by zero an extra time. Sorry for any confusion. I corrected it in the quote this post.