something from nothing

Well, giving consideration to which group you are referring to would make a big difference in how it is viewed.
Predestined = Christian Continuous Free will = non Theist/non-Christian.

Again... a guess ... even based on what you stated.

 

does he have control, or not?

 

Are you a Christian (Predestined)? If not then you don't have to worry... you have free will.

 

nice! how about you?

 

Wow, I thought you would have recognized by this time. I am one of those that are bound and obligated... but it is fun being that way... I personally can't get blamed for anything, because all that I do, I do under the leading of the Lord through the Holy Spirit. Some have tried to blame me, but for some strange mysterious reason, it always backfires right in their face.

 

be my guest and refute Chromosome 2 (human). Do what no creationist has EVER done.

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The universe and/or human knowledge is in constant change, so there can never be any absolutes.

 

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be my guest and refute Chromosome 2 (human). Do what no creationist has EVER done.

He can't so he will just repeat his question as though no one has answered him. His question is nonsensical because chemicals don't "know", they react based on properties. He may as well ask how a rock knows to be a rock. It just is. Attempting to posit intelligence behind it, only highlights the lact of intelligence behind the question.

 

You need to provide "Irrefutable" proof that rocks don't understand English......by irrefutable I mean proof I accept and agree with.

 

Exactly. I think what is more than clear is, he is not really looking for answers. If he were, he would take the time to research his questions on his own. He's looking to do nothing more than "troll".

 

whoa whoa whoa, you are attempting to apply logic.
Where's the irrefutable proof? Stick with the facts. Predestined = known = can't change. No logic, no special groups, no labels.
You going against your own mantra.

Of course, exactly my point. It's all a guess. How accurate is the guess is always the question. And in many cases, accurate enough to abide by and use.

 

What was your point of free will? You just admitted you have no 'free will'.
Or did I finally get you to realize you can't change a thing about your life according to 'the book'.

Now why does God want you acting obtuse and trolling internet forums?

You should let your PF buddies know they don't have free will either. They seem to think they do.

 

You seemingly have not learned yet that it is next to impossible to refute something that someone truly "believes". There is no amount of evidence or argument that I or anyone else can provide that will compel your mind to accept it as true. (IF) you truly believe. You see, that is the same difficulty that you and others are up against with me and the beliefs which I hold.
re·fute (r-fyt)tr.v. re·fut·ed, re·fut·ing, re·futes 1. To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof: refute testimony.

That is why when you say you have refuted my claims about the existence of God, I laugh.. See that word 'proof'...

What is the atomic number for Gold? uh oh... is it also constantly changing. How many electrons are there in the Hydrogen atom? Uh Oh....

 

I have no mantra.. thank you. Anyway... the 'logic' (if there is any) is only there because you and others seem to identify with it and it is you and others that are bound by the laws, codes, rules, regulations of logic (which none of you have yet to be able to produce even though I have requested such codes, laws, rules,, many times).

But fatal in others.. [What the hey.. there are only 7 people on board.. so lets take a chance with their lives... as for me... I'm not getting on that thing]

 

You can laugh all you want, but I have given you Evidence that 'god' does not exist via Evolution, more specifically Chromosome 2 (human), and how it stood up in a law of court. I have shown how Chromosome 2 (human) links us with the Chimpanzee, Gorilla and Orangutans.

So while you are 'laughing' the whole entire PF community is laughing at you. So please continue on, I enjoy this. You are doing more harm to the christian cause then you can possibly imagine. You are more of an asset to the Atheist community.

Hard Evidence for the Multiverse Found, but String Theory Limits the Space Brain Threat

Since we now have hard evidence for a multiverse, are you so sure there is gold in other Universes? How about Hydrogen? Uh Oh! Once again, your sort slightness and lack of science knowledge has your:

 

You seemingly still have not caught on to what that passage of scripture was saying... There are two groups those that are predestined and those that are not predestined.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:



Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

No! You have not convinced me of anything. The whole of my discussion with you on this point is the two distinct groups. Also, there is no reason for me to address those others (buddies) on the forum. But I am addressing you because this subject seems to be an obsession with you.

Ask God why you have the impression that I am acting obtuse and trolling? He might tell you that it is just your perspective and opinion.

 

Since you have stated in the past the all written words are mere OPINIONS (Post #703 and Post #708), I will dismiss the bible and all verses contained with in as a mere OPINION.

Do you have any EVIDENCE that this myth you call 'god' even exists, and do you have any EVIDENCE that this myth gives out free will? Remember, I don't want your mere OPINION, I want actual factual EVIDENCE.

 

And I am still laughing, because of your failure to recognize the futility of your arguing with me and presenting the same BS that you have previously presented and which I have previously rejected. That is a classic example of what I was saying. you truly believe that BS and I truly don't believe that BS.

Well, there you go, making another unverifiable claim. Show PROOF that "the whole entire PF community is laughing at .." me.

From your article: " Scientists believe they have found the first evidence that other universes exist. "

Look closely at the second word "believe". Beliefs are not a PROOF of anything.

 

If you have zero money. The amount of money you have = "nothing".

Prove that zero of something is something other than nothing.

What a Joke.

 

No, there are no 2 distinct groups. Only your opinion that there are. And the opinion of the author.
As I stated to you, I don't think anyone truly has free will. Everyone is obligated is some fashion to choosing a certain way. There is no single uniqueness about any of us.
And your citation of a book you deem fallible is ridiculous. If offers no proof. Merely your opinion.
It is not an obsession, it is a curiosity as to how one claims 'free will' in one breath and predistination in the next. Actually, it baffles me and no one has ever compelled my mind to accept the 2 as inclusive.
Although, you try to narrow it down by saying only 'saved' people have predestiny. Meaning God doesn't own/control all of creation.

Nope. It is not my perspective or opinion.

 

Please keep rejecting it. It simply shows you are here to troll.

IN the mean time, since others read this (besides you), I will continue to show EVIDENCE that humans, Chimpanzees, Orangutans and Gorillas all shared a common ancestor and that man was NOT made from dust as the bible states (genesis 2:7)

I would, but I believe its a TOS violation to post peoples private messages on this forum. But please keep it up, you are defiantly an asset to the Atheist community.

Bravo, way to cherry pick what YOU want out of it.

Did you forget this:

More intellectual honesty from you I see.

But I digress, are you sure there is Gold and Hydrogen in other universe? Is your answer an absolute?

 

While it is your " subjective opinion" that you can't get blamed the things you do under the leading of Lord Satan. This does not make your opinion true.

God will decide who gets the blame. You pretending to speak for God, once again, is not likely to help your case.

 

Seeing that you asked no questions, and only stated YOUR opinions, I would have to conclude that this discussion between you and me has reached a point where neither you nor I can offer any PROOF. Have a nice day.

 

Your misrepresentation of what I stated is not a valid argument.

 

You standing on a soapbox crying "that is invalid" does not make an argument invalid. If it makes you feel better, although you can not prove that it is not Lord Satan leading you, substitute some other name.

Regardless of the name used, my argument is valid.

You claimed to speak for God and that is that. This is not an argument but a statement of fact. Objective reality.

 

We have had this discussion before, and as before, I will again challenge you to point to the post where I have stated that I speak for God as you have claimed that I do. Short of showing that post from many months ago, your claim is a false claim. Now you have made the positive assertion that I have said something very particular and very precise... so the onus is on you to show PROOF of claim. Not your interpretation of what I have stated, but the actual words which you claim I have stated.