something from nothing

Voices in head taken as real entities directing action. I am quite sure there is a psychological term for this ailment.

 

there is. having said that, the fact that so many manifest this 'problem' suggests one of two things ... a) we need to modify our understanding of mental illness - perhaps removing criteria which appear in religious expression, or b) there are a hell of a lot more crazy people on the planet than suspected.

if we look closely at how these things play out for the religiously inclined, we can probably safely make the distinction between simply referring to one's 'conscience' as god, or believing same is driven by god, and hearing discrete voices attributed to external agency. the latter would tend to suggest further investigation

 

That is always the scary part. Those that have strange things/voices in ones head. If they act on those voices and end up hurting if not killing someone.
WR really was a worrisome poster. I asked a couple of times if he owned a gun.
One hopes they never snap.

 

It matters to me. Your consistent reference to "the book" is also telling now about your spiritual nature.

 

It may matter to you, but it is irrelevant to all, God included, but you. As your destiny is already determined.
Yes, my spiritual nature is none of us know anything for certain. That you claim you do, is false and wrong. And this is not an opinion. Unlike your opinion, your claim to know what God will do as if you are God itself.

 

Tag teaming now I see. That is ok ... because regardless of how many of your friends, colleagues, cohorts, congregation members step in, you will not be able to compel my mind to accept what you and they are saying is true. You lose.

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Opinion is still all you have. You have not present any piece of evidence or argument that even comes close to compelling my mind to accept what you present as true. Then the opposite of not being true is false... now that you have convinced me.. your input is false.

 

actually the person who clings to a position despite knowing it's unsustainable (and I believe most theists - especially educated ones - do know) is the one who loses.

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actually the person who clings to a position despite knowing it's unsustainable (and I believe most theists - especially educated ones - do know) is the one who loses.

 

Tag team? Just the luck of the draw I guess. You stepped into it. You made a positive claim. You have absolutely no way of proving your positive claim. Unless you start making it rain for 40 days and nights and wipe out all but 8.
But you claim you know how you will fare with God. So therefore, you know your exact destiny and every choice and action you will do forever.

 

I suppose now we'll see a whole bunch of posts getting deleted.

 

There are plenty of crazies out there for sure. Most religious folk however do not have voices in their head that they talk to assuming that this is God talking.

Pentecostals and some Evangelical groups have folks in the congregation who are said to be able to speak for God through the Holy Spirit. "Speaking in Tongues"

 

I am not trying to prove anything to you LOL

It is you that can not prove that your intuition tells you specific details about what God things as you claim it does.

 

Indeed there is: LINK: God Told Me to Do It

 

so if the majority are not hearing discrete voices, they're evidently calling their conscience 'god'. or think god is directing their self talk. that must be REALLY strange, to think that the normal internal chatter we all engage in, every day of our lives, is actually being 'controlled' by an invisible supernatural being. eg, are they able to distinguish between the god-controlled 'thoughts' and their own? or do they attribute their own (ungodly) thoughts to the other dude? if so, that would be completely bizarre - you'd have these two monsters messing with your head with zero input from self! if not, then how do they distinguish between god-controlled thought and self thought? the whole thing is completely fascinating!

 

nice!

evidently these folk had trouble making the distinction between the two dudes

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OMG, I absolutely adore tongue-talk. My kids and I almost have brain bleeds from laughing whenever we happen upon footage of same

 

It is fascinating but whacked at the same time.

Some of these fundamentalist groups Pentecostals many Evangelical and some non denominated sects have their roots in Montanism.

Montanism was declared heretical.

You see a similar thing in other religions. Voodoo ceremonies have the same thing where folks go into bizarre states that adherents think is spiritual possession. Same thing with the groups mentioned above - they call it the Holy Spirit. Sects of Hindoo, Islam and other religions have similar groups that go into some kind of induced trance state.

 

ever since humanoids discovered that rocking back and forth and grunting brought on a bit of foggy head, we've been calling it one thing or another. what's funny is when some declare ... IT IS MY GOD!, just as though this oh-so-human-and-ancient behaviour was some new and miraculous thing

 

There is a show on TV tonight called "The Science of Stupid" .. perhaps worth a watch

 

I'd love to see it, but I'm in tomorrow land here. We may not get it, ever

 

So much for you and others labeling Christians as schizophrenics... Hollo pot. Now that you have recognized your condition, it is now up to you to determine how to rid yourself of that condition.

 

I never said that I could prove it. Probably not trying to prove anything to me (because yuu can't) but within all probablility you are trying to prove something to others. So far, IMHO, you have not shown PROOF of anything other than your inability to compel my mind to accept what you say as true.

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Are you suggesting that "a whole bunch of posts" should be "deleted"? If not then why the stated suspicion?

 

So proof that crank and others have "labeled Christians as schizophrenics"

 

Read the history of the forum and learn for yourself as opposed to keeping your head buried in that sandbox called science and logic.

 

Got it. You have nothing but wild accusations against the users of PF, not actual PROOF that crank and\or others have "labeled Christians as schizophrenics"

 

Wrong! I have the forum history as evidence of what I have stated. If you are too lazy to look at that history, then that is your problem.

 

Then show PROOF! Until you do, you have nothing but wild accusations against the users of PF, not actual PROOF that crank and\or others have "labeled Christians as schizophrenics"