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You claimed that you will not be blamed for the things that you do. You have no way of knowing where God will place the blame.

 

Your failure to respond to the ONUS which is upon you is indicating that you cannot support your claim wherein you stated that I "speak for God". Please respond to the requirement that you have placed upon yourself by making a positive assertion/claim.

 

Do not try and blame me for your careless words. You said that you can not get blamed for anything that you do. (see above).

It may be your opinion that God will not blame you but this is just your subject opinion. You are stating this as fact. You are stating that you know for a fact that God will not blame you. It is not up to you to decide where God will place blame.

 

Those are not careless words. Those words were chosen very selectively and posted what I accept as 'true'. Whether or not you accept them as 'true' is a matter that is resolved in your mind.
Now on the other hand.. your continued avoidance of the onus that you have placed upon yourself, is still standing. Where is the PROOF of your claim?

 

Of course you are responsible for your own actions. To say you are not responsible for your actions because you are under the leading of voices in your head is Schizophrenia. Pure and Simple.

 

It is your claim. You did not say "I accept this as true = it is my opinion that this is true"

YOU said that God will not blame you. This is speaking for God.

Now you are backtracking by trying to change the meaning of our original statement. This is fine but then you should state " I did not mean to say that" - this is what I meant.

 

That is your interpretation. Perhaps you should go back to school and learn more about the art of 'reading comprehensively'; or perhaps you should simply quit making up things as you go along.
I stated previously that your interpretation of what you claim I have stated will not be accepted as valid evidence or true. So, it appears that all you have is your "INTERPRETATION" or opinion... that don't work.

 

Of course it is speaking for God. You are claiming defacto to know what God is going to do. You are not the arbiter of what God does or does not do.

You may believe that you know, but this belief is subjective and therefor subject to error. Only God knows what God will do.

Chances are he not happy about your speaking on his behalf.

 

Have you ever known me to be in error? Well of course you have. However, I still believe that my relationship with God is such that I will not be 'blamed'. In fact, that 'belief' is so strong, that I am willing to say "I know". It is called intuitive knowledge... something that even Einstein agreed upon... and seemingly something that you do not recognize as being valid. Oh Well. Einstein used intuition so there must not be too much wrong with intuition.

 

No worries. Next time you want to state something as a belief rather then a statement of fact then make that distinction.

This is not about intuition or recognition of the validity of intuition. You made a claim "as if it were fact" not as if it were belief.

There is a difference between stating "God says" and stating "I believe God says"

That is all I was pointing out but with you it is like pulling teeth to get a simple point across.

 

More of your false representations of what I stated and clarified:
" In fact, that 'belief' is so strong, that I am willing to say "I know". It is called intuitive knowledge."
Now argue that point. The bottom line of that point is "I Know".
That is however NOT what you said. Backpedalling now is too late for you. You made the claim so you owe the reading audience a PROOF of your claim that I said that which you have declared that I said.

I repeat. I have not said that "I speak for God". That is your interpretation based on your hatred toward Christians and God.

Furthermore: In my last post I stated in relevant part " However, I still believe that my relationship with God is such that I will not be 'blamed' In that entire posting I never said that I believe God said, nor did I say that I know God said anything. That comment was entirely directed at my 'belief' regarding 'my relationship with God". You really do need to quit in your attempts to mischaracterize that which I have stated.

 

But Incspot, that kind of 'knowledge' is only valid within the confines of your own imagination (or mind, if you prefer). It doesn't reflect objective reality, so cannot serve any useful purpose in same. You can wallow around in semantics on this, but you know that we know that "I KNOW I was abducted by aliens" does not equate to alien abduction.

What fascinates many atheists (those of us who find the whole subject of religion interesting) is the willingness of some to stop there, with no further interest or concern in/for validation beyond the confines of the mind. It's like having a dream of a bizarre nature, and deciding that this is what should inform your waking life.

 

On the contrary. It benefits me in this objective reality by supplying me with information that you and others are not privy, and which have a direct bearing on my well being (well being in all of its aspects).

You can wallow around in your disbelief and it matters not to me that you have such a disbelief. If you believe that you were abducted by an alien, then that is your belief and I have no reason or objection to you having that belief. That individualized belief is having no effect upon my person or the persons that are closest to me. So, your belief would be no big deal.

So, many atheists find themselves somewhat spellbound by the willingness of some theists to stop without any further interest or concern in/for validation beyond the confines of the mind. Well, I would find that the notion that those "many atheists" have is unqualified. Why? Because God put in us an inquisitive nature just like He did to those "many atheists" (and other non-theists). Even though I am retired with limited resources available, the inquisitiveness within me compels me to continue with research in electronics at the low end wherein my resources will permit. As for the religion aspect: there also is that inquisitiveness. I often question particular aspects of Christianity and continue to do so (no revenue is required in that research). Testing is even pointed out in the Scripture... Testing the spirits.. Now there is something that science won't even attempt to touch even though the elements of the test requirements are laid out in the 'Bible'. So, would you like to rephrase your questions or comments?

 

Of course, if an alien abductee feels that his/her 'experience' provides some sort of comfort or explanation for his/her difficulties/differences, or even just enjoys the sensation of having Special Knowledge - thus elevating and distinguishing him/herself slightly (which would be merely human nature, nothing dreadful) - then such a belief is likely to have limited potential for harm, and may ward off different and potentially more harmful (to self) coping habits.

None of this, though, has any validity outside of the individual's mind. Un-rephrased. To respond to it as objective reality would be like setting a place for the characters in the bizarre dream at the dinner table - and asking them if they prefer water or juice. Really, outside of specialist organisations for alien abductees, the discussion of personal abduction amongst the general populace would be considered extremely odd. It would almost certainly attract considerable mirth and/or mockery.

 

Conditions that are "more harmful (to self)" would be conditions outside the mind and in the "reality" of the physical world. See definition of 'self'.

 

possibly. or it could be a headlong plummet into schizoid behaviours (with indirect potential for physical harm of self or others). more likely something as prosaic as substance abuse.

 

You have proof of this, other than anecdotal or divine revelation? Oh, thats right, no.

 

As long as you are admitting to the possibility. The remaining portion of your post above is conjecture.

 

oy vay

 

I would conclude you agree with my opinions.

 

It would be a wrong conclusion, but it is your opinion so no big deal.

 

It matters not if you accept as true. According to the 'book', it is only what God accepts as true that counts. Afterall, odds are you are wrong. Yes, odds are. Even if you are predestined, you, yourself don't know your destiny.

 

No. You made a positive claim. God will not blame you. Either you are speaking for God or you are God itself. Else, you have no clue.

 

You claiming that you know is the equivalent of speaking for God. You are stating that you know God will blame you.

The reality of course is that you have no clue what God will do.

Your "intuitive knowledge" as about as subjective as it gets. You are the one always arguing "that is subjective" prove it.

Prove that your intuition tells you specific details about what God thinks.

 

No opinion. You did not disagree with anything I posted. No disagree = agree.